If One Likes Neo Prog...
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Topic: If One Likes Neo Prog...
Posted By: Ridgeback
Subject: If One Likes Neo Prog...
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 09:52
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Since we have to have a label... and listens extensively to Airbag, Pendragon, Porcupine Tree, SW, Sylvan, Anathema, Frequency Drift, Gazpacho, Mileneum, (some) Marillion, IQ, and RPWL... suggestion for others in that vein? Groups that sound more Pink Floydish. I’m not at all into Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, VDDG etc. Thoughts? |
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 11:14
| Check out the similar bands to Pink Floyd thread. Anyway, it sounds like you are mostly into modern prog so it shouldn't be too difficult to find other recent bands in that style. Have you heard Astra yet? Definitely look into them. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 11:35
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I'm not into Neo-Prog as defined by the site, but I have been very into Pink Floyd (especially early Pink Floyd) so sorry if I concentrate more on the Pink FLoydish angle than the rest, which is admittedly not the greatest approach. It would be pretty simple for me to make modern spacey/pysch suggestion that have some Pink Floyd vibe such as Lamp of the Universe but I wouldn't think that's quite what you're after. Maybe you'd like PAUW: And VSTRS: But then again, maybe not, and I'm totally the wrong one to make a recommendation. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 11:51
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As a big fan of Neo prog bands, I can probably make quite a few recommendations. I am a fan of all of the artists that you have listed. One band that comes to mind is Freedom to Glide. I think that they might appeal to a Pink Floyd fan. They have released the third album in a trilogy. Here is a sample from their latest album Seed: And here is a link to their bandcamp page. https://freedomtoglide.bandcamp.com/album/seed" rel="nofollow - https://freedomtoglide.bandcamp.com/album/seed See what you think, and I will give some thought to some other suggestions.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 14:13
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I find it odd that you are not into Genesis, KC, ELP, and VDGG.....since the 'Neo-Prog' bands you named above have plenty of those other bands in their musical mix. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 14:23
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Satellite (whole discography) Collage - Moonshine Silhouette (whole discography) Quidam - Alone Together They first came to my mind.
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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 14:47
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You mean Millenium, for sure (not mileneum, right?), cause that would be a valid suggestion. Have you tried Anekdoten ? (filed as Heavy) - try their latest, from 2015, and/or go for the Chapters compilation which perfectly sums up their previous output. Transatlantic could be another bet.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 15:00
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oh let me answer that Alex... ... then one lives in momma's basement and has a great relationship with ones hand! so what do I win... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 16:58
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Micky you inbred: What do you win? You already had your sister and your grand mom, doesn’t that count as a prize in your twisted dipsh*t world? As to the other excellent suggestions, I look forward to listening to them. I had meant to listen to Quiddam in the past and they fell off my radar. Satellite I thought I would love but other then A Street Between Sunrise and Sunset, they didn’t click. The other suggestions are made of bands unknown to me. I will be checking them out. I would particularly love to find a band like Airbag. They seem entirely unique. Thanks to all suggestions folks. Much appreciated |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 17:03
hahahah..  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 17:06
| As to the accurate comment about the bands I listened to have elements of Yes, Genesis et al. Undoubtedly that’s very true. I mean they are pioneers of the genre. It’s likely impossible to get away from them. That said having flashes of influence doesn’t bother me. I find that the bands I listed play with passion as opposed to playing with pure technical brilliance. I prefer a less complex song oozing with heartfelt emotion as opposed to a King Crimson technique of cold professionalism. |
Posted By: Odvin Draoi
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 18:33
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Matter of Taste - Chateau Obscure is another that has come to my mind, which is really obscure. Also (recalled after checking the PA search facility), Anubis - A Tower of Silence, Pallas - The Dreams of Men, Cosmograf - When the Age Has Done Its Duty, Subsignal - Touchstones, Knight Arena - Nine Paths, Docker's Guild - The Mystic Technocracy - Season 1: The Age of Ignorance are among the ones I like.
If you don't want to limit yourself with neo-prog, you may check some Kingcrow, Sieges Even etc. Also perhaps Hemlock - Exordium might interest you. Less complex and full of emotion. Perhaps Cirrus Bay albums might be interesting too. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 01 2019 at 23:52
Understandable totally. You've listed a lot of bands I like especially Anathema ,IQ and PT. I guess you may have come across Magenta but if not then check out Seven for sure. Again a very obvious one is Big Big Train but in the unlikely event you haven't come across them then I can recommend English Electric Part One and Part Two certainly. A bit left field but you may like the indie prog band Mansun that made only 4 albums. Their most challenging is Six. I might going astray a bit but what about Muse? Absolution is a monster of an album. Since then they have mainly concentrated on heavy synth based pop/rock but don't overlook Absolution because of that! |
Ridgeback wrote:Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: August 04 2019 at 09:16
| Try This - https://riversea.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Riversea |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 08:44
Are you in the right place?
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 08:46
 Weird how he didn't mention Yes but I doubt he would like them either.
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Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 08:49
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Though he cared to mention etc (symphonic) !!! |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 16:04
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Try those: The Watch - Vacuum (Genesis flavor) Seven Steps to the Green Door - Fetish Mystery - Lies and Butterflies Moonrise - StepOver life Jadis - Across the Water Iluvatar - Children Galahad - Seas of Change Eternal Wanderers - The Mystery of the Cosmic Sorrow Edison's Children - The Fina Breath before November Cosmograph - The Man left in Space Arena - Contagion |
Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 17:10
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Am I in the right place? Well, I hope so. Isn’t this the Barry Manilow Fanilow Forum? All right, yeah, good point, I’m not a huge Yes fan either. Never cared much for Jon Anderson’s voice. But I am a huge Pink Floyd fan. Hence, I believe I’m in the right place albeit maybe a little different from most of the people here. But hell, y’all don’t want everyone the same, do you? I mean that would make for such interesting conversations. Person 1” Yes are veritable rock legends. They are close to divine.” Person 2: “I agree. I wear my 1978 Yes concert shirt daily under my suit.” Person 3 “Yes was iconoclastic, and years ahead of their time. Their music displayed extraordinary passages that rippled the fabric of the time/space continuum.” Person 4 “Jon Anderson is as cute as a button.” Me: “Yes sounds like aural sandpaper “. Thanks for the myriad of suggestions thus far, amigos. Much appreciated and I’m still listening to them one by one. And for those Yes fans who were offended by the above. Don’t be. Just be sure to see an audiologists sometime in your near future. Only kidding... |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 17:14
No real prog fan would consider Yes to be part of an etc.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 17:19
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All right, yeah, good point, I’m not a huge Yes fan either. Never cared much for Jon Anderson’s voice. But I am a huge Pink Floyd fan. As much as I hate to say it Yes has limited appeal outside of prog circles. Even in prog circles there's many fans who don't like them often for the reason you stated. I think it's part of the reason why Pink Floyd has sold way, way more albums than Yes and your average teenager knows PF very well but has maybe only heard OF Yes if he or she is lucky(although I suppose unlucky in some peoples opinion obviously). Anyway, it's all good. No one can like everything. I'm sure there's someone out there who doesn't care much for Pink Floyd too. Lol.
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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 17:45
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echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists ------------- MacGyver can do a super guitar solo with a broom and an elastic band. Can you do better? |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 17:49
This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.
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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 19:07
meh I'm just going by the fact that they were formed in the 90s
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 20:13
They were formed in 1989 actually out of the ashes of a band called Narcissus but their first album was in 1991. Not to sound like a know it all but I've been a fan for a long time and even interviewed them once. People used to use the term neo to mean any post seventies prog band but I actually haven't heard that term used in that way in quite a while. Here's a little story though. About ten years ago(approximately) I went to see Steve Howe play in Philadelphia. After the show a guy who was a promoter for echolyn was passing out flyers for an upcoming echolyn show saying "echolyn prog rock....echolyn....prog rock." Some guy exiting the show(Steve Howe from Yes show)says to him "prog rock is that like Marillion?" Hello???? What did he think Yes was classic rock? Duh. Anyway, I ducked into the bathroom right then otherwise I would have set the guy straight. Unfortunately, the guy handing out the flyer wasn't much better because his response was "yeah, I think so." |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 22:07
| Not neo-prog but, Riverside reminds me of Pink Floyd. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 23:35
Jadis is a great band you should check out if you're interested in Neo-Prog, but you also listen to Yes! 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2019 at 23:52
Jadis is an excellent suggestion. They are much more in the vein of what he is looking for and I wouldn't connect them to Yes at all. I would also suggest Dave Kerzner and the band In Continuum for a Floyd like experience. Kerzner is obviously a massive Floyd fan. Mostly Autumn have presumably been mentioned but I would second or third them as well.
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Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 02:30
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When I was younger I had a soft spot for neo-prog and long atmospherical poprock-ish modern prog. Here's my fifty cents: - Moonrise (Polish, very Pink Floydish) - Quidam (Polish, jazzy, almost Camel-ish) - Sylvan (German, more modern rock than prog) - Casino (British, features members of Arena, Twelfth Night, Threshold) - Strangers on a Train - Ywis - Raven Sad (Italian, very, very Pink Floydish) - Marathon (Dutch, sounds like a mixture of Marillion, Rush and Saga) - It Bites (80's version with Dunnery is more pop-rock with lite-fusion elements, newer version I don't know anything about) - Blind Ego (sideproject of RPWL-guitarist, features former Arena-members and more) I stopped listening to Neo-prog, because eventually I found out that it was too sombre, to depressing (lyrical) and it lacks soul and groove (at least, according to me). But there are a few Marillion/Pink Floyd-inspired bands out there, who are very nice indeed.
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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 05:57
Yeah I realized after that some of the demos on "A Little Nonsense" are from 89 - just meant their first official release was in the 90s. Do you have a link to your interview? I'd be interested to read it!
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Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 06:14
| Some fabulous suggestions that I’m working through. Hats off to the person who mentioned Raven Sad. I ran into them a year or so ago and like them quite a bit. Mostly Autumn I tried hard to get into a little while back. Ultimately I just gave up. They have their own sound that just didnt click. Funny someone mentioned Riverside. I really got into Georgius. His album Ego Georgius was exceptional. He is polish and so somehow that led me to riverside. Tried them- some decent songs, some boring repetitive songs. Hit/miss. Thanks for all the suggestions keep em coming. |
Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 07:22
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Australian band Anubis deserve much more love than they've been receiving (same applies to myself, btw - life can be unfair !) |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 08:20
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Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 08:46
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^ I also find Neo-Prog (and progmetal) to be the least emotional of the bunch. Maybe they can be atmospheric. But 'oozing with emotion'. Not really. Most of those bands rely on studio-techniques, samplemachines, sequencers and clicktrack. Wich is not a bad thing per sé, but I can't name one single neoprog band (sans perhaps Twelfth Night) wich display heartfelt emotion. It's more like dreamy extended pop with long solos to enhance the atmospheric gloomy pictures they try to paint. (The perfect, sterile production doesn't help either)
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 08:50
Sure, here it is. http://echolyninterview.blogspot.com/2012/?m=0" rel="nofollow - http://echolyninterview.blogspot.com/2012/?m=0 I just noticed that even I said they were formed in the early 90's on there. Whoops. Lol. I did that interview in 2012. I actually did another interview with another Philly area band(the red masque)and was set to do a third one but the third band(who shall remain nameless)never got back to me even after agreeing to do the interview.
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Posted By: The Shrubbery
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 11:31
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 12:17
| I know they aren't newer bands but how about Eloy and Camel? Maybe Nektar too. I know you said you wanted newer bands and those definitely aren't but you might be surprised. You never know. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 14:22
true  Camel - 1973-1978 give it a go, especially debut, Mirage and Moonmadness
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 15:17
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Another possibility might be Comedy of Errors. -------------
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Posted By: Howard the Duck
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 15:24
don't know if you're a gamer or familiar with video game music at all, but the composer for the Persona series, Shoji Meguro, has a keyboard style that greatly reminds me of Chris Buzby!
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 15:38
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Can't forget about Frost*. They were pretty awesome in their brief existence. -------------
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 17:10
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I would re-iterate the suggestions of: Mystery Riversea Collage Quidam Albion/Georgius/Jerzy Antczak Millenium Edison's Children and add: LIFESIGNS' eponymously titled debut album BELIEVE (especially their recent Seven Widows album) MR. GIL Skellig (led by Mirek Gil, guitarist from Collage, Satellite, and Believe) BJØRN RIIS (guitarist from Airbag) TONY PATTERSON's Equations of Meaning NINE STONES CLOSE One Eye on the Sunrise SOUP Remedies I AND THOU Speak maybe even SILHOUETTE and GALAHAD ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 17:22
| Let’s talk about emotion (well, only as long as my ex wife doesn’t join this conversation). Seriously, so I listen pretty steadily to Airbag, Pendragon, Sylvan, PT, Anathema, etc. I find those bands quite emotional. Well, Airbag a bit less, but otherwise... Steal My Soul, Sounds That I Hear, Homesick etc. all but drip with emotion. Anathema’s Untouchable 1-2, Dreaming Light, Pendragon’s ‘it’s Only Me’, Frequency Drifts entire first album. And so on. Love, laments, souls asunder, redemption, all those I find in what is termed Neo-prog. SW has a plethora of emotions in his songs albeit virtually 100% depressing. I don’t find that in VDGG, ELP, KC etc. I don’t want to hear music played by rote. I don’t want to see/hear a musician played terrified of missing a note in a complex piece. I want to see sweat, a distant look, anguish, joy. Etc. go YouTube TSO’s I’ll Keep Your Secrets by Chloe where she literally channeled the person the song was about and started crying. She put everything she had into that song. She personified leaving it all out there. A bravo performance. Anyways, I’m sure I got my point across. |
Posted By: Ridgeback
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 17:25
| I have some Eloy albums. Pretty good. Nektar- that’s the French PF type band? I like some of Camel they have a cool lead guitar player. Riversea keeps being mentione I need to check them out. I never heard of them. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 17:59
Nektar were English but they lived and recorded in Germany so they were sometimes considered German. I recommend remember the future and recycled to start with. As for Eloy check out silent cries and mighty echoes. For Camel I would say maybe the later albums. Start with dust and dreams. Another modern band to check out is Lucy in Blue(they aren't on this site despite my trying to add them; it seems they forgot about them). They have a bandcamp page though. I doubt many(if any)of the bands mentioned so far sound more like vintage Floyd than they do.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 18:17
Riverside is definitely recommended too, they are dripping with emotion. Also, if you ever get the chance to see them live, they are amazing!
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2019 at 20:30
Nope. I don't know video game music except for homeworld by Yes and a band called the mini bosses. I should look into video games though.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 00:16
I think we are getting into a very complex area when talking about emotion but I understand what you are saying. You mention VDGG in there and I suspect you may get a few puzzled Pete Hammill fans wondering why they are bracketed with ELP although at times I admit his almost demented singing can be a massive turn off. King Crimson are a really tricky example because as mentioned by another poster there early stuff can be quite emotional and actually Fallen Angel for me is one of the most emotional songs (and performances by the late great John Wetton) I've heard but if it doesn't connect with you then that's fine. I'm a massive ELP fan and Keith Emerson is a God to me but yes I would accept that you may struggle to find anything really emotional in their back catalogue. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 02:43
The "demented singing" of Peter Hammill is, however, totally fitting for the lyrics; anyone who sang it differently would be missing the point, so I have absolutely no problem with this singing style. And the band certainly goes along with this "demented" theme, especially on "Pawn Hearts". My personal opinion is that when it comes to "emotional" VdGG are very hard to beat, though there are rarely positive emotions.
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Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 02:52
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To me the most emotional singers (in prog)are Freddie Mercury,Ian Anderson, Justin Hayward and John Lodge, Derek Shulman, Fish, Michael Sadler. All different styles and all different approach of singing and all of them have different lyrical themes. So, I guess even emotion is a matter of taste. For a long time I really was swept away by the vocals of Big Big Train, Flower Kings, Pendragon and Unitopia. They had a certain charm. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 05:15
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I never really liked Freddie Mercury as a singer. His singing always sounded artificial to me, somehow put on. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 10:35
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I believe that much of what is deemed as neo on this site drips with emotion. As an example, you cannot but empathise with Nick Barrett's work at the time of his divorce. Pulsating stuff, dripping with emotion. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 10:43
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https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=marillion+brave+album+cover&id=820E1AFE0151D512028BF23145D6DD1A156A2990&FORM=IQFRBA" rel="nofollow"> If one likes neo prog then one must listen to this: Marillion-Brave.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: August 07 2019 at 14:38
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Neo prog...haha very lax genre...a lot of the bands are 2nd or third gen symphonic prog for me....I suppose that vocally most supposed neo prog bands try to be more serious to avoid the elves and pixie stereotyping of seventies prog... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 00:35
interesting. he had extraordinary vocal abilities with a range that almost unprecedented in rock music but that did naturally lead him almost inevitably towards an operatic rock style. I hate opera so I can see your point!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 00:41
I don't think it was about trying to avoid stereotyping really but more about being down to earth and connecting more with human issues such as alienation and even those horrid thoughts of suicide. I thought Neo was a bunch of crap until I listen properly to IQ 'The Wake'. I still love that album to the day. IQ had the chops to back up their grand designs as well proved by their debut 'Takes From The Lush Attic' . Listen to Through The Corridors. These guys can play!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 00:43
sorry that album bored the pants off me although I do like a lot of the Hogarth era Marillion. Sounds That Cannot Be Made is the one that I really enjoy as well as Seasons End. Both are a bit underrated imo.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 08:37
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IQ are the best of the second generation symphonic prog bands. Suppose the economic backdrop of tbe late seventies and the Thatcher years had a lot to do with the lyrical content ok IQ and Marillion and Twelfth night for sure! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 09:26
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horses for courses and all that, but in prog terms ditch the Neo stuff and embrace all things Italian and Japanese when it comes to prog, its a wonderful journey and there is always something new and amazing to discover. I agree with you on Yes, Genesis, etc, although their CDs are really useful as they swirl in the sun and keep insects away from vegetables and plants in my allotment. ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
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Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 10:01
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 10:10
Yep. In my opinion, the finest, and most emotional, album ever made. Simple as. The story, and its conclusion, are enough to make even the hardest chap weep, especially as it is loosely based upon real events. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 08 2019 at 10:19
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Not my usual cup of tea but... IQ Magenta Comedy Of Errors Yuka & Chronoship
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: August 09 2019 at 02:08
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Tr3nity are a good shout too...Two releases both of the finest quality... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: DevilsInTheDetails
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 05:17
Sadly only two albums ------------- Mad As A March Hare |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 10:36
Mostly Autumn sound mostly like Pink Floyd, especially on their Pink Floyd Revisited DVD.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: March 20 2020 at 14:48
| If you're calling Anathema and Porcupine Tree neo-prog, then I'm too far away with my definition of neo-prog, so there's no point in me joining in here. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 00:48
Yes it is an overlooked album imho...Grey Lady Down are awesome too! ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 10:26
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I guess it's safe to say Brave is overrated! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 10:28
overrated? it's barely rated.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 10:34
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 11:51
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If Brave is barely rated, at least at PA, one must be comparing it to the biggest. I have a differnet perspective. At 1047 ratings at PA for Brave, those are the kinds of numbers I could hardly dream of for the majority of my favourite albums in the database. Even for a big name like Magma, its most rated album never cracked 1000 ratings and most never cracked 500 ratings. Even the mighty First Utterance by Comus only has 551 ratings. As for what is a very long-lived band that I often call my favourite overall, Art Zoyd, it's most rated album has 101 ratings. Even the mighty Pheadra by Tangerine Dream has about 400 less ratings than Brave, and its most rated album Rubycon has 100 less. Even Klaus Schulze's Mirage most popular album only has 304 ratings. Bubu's Anabelas has 566 ratings. Evn Henry Cow's most popular alum (certainly a much talked about band in the forum) only has 263 ratings. I've called Frano Leprino's Integrati... Disintegrati and Jean-CLaude-Vannier's L'enfant assassin des mouches my favourite albums before and they have 58 ratings and 39 ratings respectively, but I guess my tastes are a little more off the beaten path than most. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 11:59
I was kidding, hence the emoticon. I love Brave, ever since it came out, it's one of Marillion's best works, I've never understood why some say it's overrated. Whatever appreciation it gets, it's well deserved.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 12:24
Ah, wit, something of which I wish I had more (though I do try). I thought you were more laughing more at what verslibre said. I'm actually terrible at reading emoticons. I use the winky face most when I'm kidding like that, but I usually don't (people get the humour or they don't). By the way, I have heard Brave and I liked it. I was thinking maybe it's all comparative, since so much of what I listen to is lucky to get more than 100 ratings at PA. I could understand it being a divisive album, and I actually think that the best art commonly does divide opinion. The whole overrated/underrated/ best/worst thing is often ridiculous. I think the problem is that people tend to overrate their own opinions. It's fine liking or not liking something, but saying, or even implying, that others should feel the same way seems incredibly arrogant and narrow-minded to me. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 13:19
I totally agree. I was making a joke. But some people aren't joking, especially when they go out of their way to knock other users who don't like something they're very fond of. It happened in this thread. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 14:14
Your comment I definitely took as in good humour. Like I said, I think people commonly overrate their own opinions, and many really do find it hard to separate their subjective notions from objective notions. One doesn't need to go into such epistemology, a lot of the time it's just plain rude, and it shows a lack of empathy. Mind you, I've been damned rude at times. I was thinking about getting into this kind of stuff a bit with a comment in one of my recent topics which shared some of my favourite double albums, "Soft Machine is the best of a pretty terrible bunch." There are ways to talk about what you like and don't like without coming across as insulting to other peoples tastes or the artists themselves, or generally haughty, but if you think your tastes are superior, well that is arrogant. There's a lot of negativity just for the sake of being negative. I find it strange that some like to come into appreciation threads again and again to show their disdain for certain music. I am interested to know what people like and don't like and why, but I don't tend to appreciate it when people make negative claims without justification, seemingly say things just to be negative, or tell or infer that others are wrong to like something.. It's a downer for one thing, it's unfriendly, but also it's often not reasonable, and such people are often very hard to reason with and are unwilling to engage in "good faith" dialogue. The positions are intractable as such people are often very narrow minded and conceited. Many people wish to assert their superiority over others. In various cases I think it's the Dunning-Kruger effect. We all have our cognitive biases, and many of can be intellectually dishonest. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 15:33
Yes, I did see that comment...right after I had voted for Tangerine Dream's Zeit. The albums in your poll clearly don't figure into his (or her) listening routine, but d*mn the torpedoes! I've been reading music (etc.) forums for over twenty years, so it's easy for me to ignore. We've got to make space for the new arrivals. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 16 2020 at 20:46
With that individual I know we have some very different tastes. Me having been more into the experimental side, and him into the more melodic rock side. I shouldn't care, unless I have to do moderation, how people express themselves. Better for me to improve on my own expression. I've been forum posting for about twenty years, and sometimes it just gets harder for me to deal with. No progress is made. I used to say that the only negativity that bothers me is the negativity of some people in response to other people's negativity, but that was never really accurate. It hasn't been that big a deal to me, more of an interest really. I used not to mind such negativity really cause I enjoyed the chance to do battle, and and at the forum I belonged to before here, it was much more discussion/debate oriented, and flame wars were a common occurrence. I was never burnt in them cause to me it was all for fun. But now I'm twenty years older, and 20 times as tired, and such stuff, such repetitive behaviour all too often, is more boring than anything. I've realised to not bother engaging such posts at all, though I forget sometimes and then regret it. Not because it leads to flamewars, but often because they don't engage with your content back. And because I then feel guilty, and tend to look stupid for engaging to boot. Sometimes it's like "Full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes", and it's truly invigorating, but by the time you're ready to launch, they've already left. That's no fun! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |