The Strange Omissions of the Archives

I see both points of yours (Mike) and Atavachron (David, I think?).  No one knew what it was, it was an organic growth at the time....again, I was there and to me, I can see the direct lines, but I don't expect that everyone would and also understand that this is a Prog site, not a Psych site.  

stegor wrote: patrickq wrote: admireArt wrote: TUXEDOMOON, The Furure Sound of London, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Alva Noto Tuxedomoon +1 Tuxedomoon +2 and I raise you Pere Ubu. XTC goes without saying, again.

Atavachron wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Atavachron wrote: Psych absolutely laid the groundwork if not the rough blueprint for Prog, but inclusions are usually psych artists that had some important impact on what became known as prog rock, i.e. Jefferson Airplane.   Whereas the Dead, Big Brother, and Steppenwolf not so much.   I may think the Dead are a progressive rock band (in fact I do, and have seriously considered as a SC submitting them for Proto or -Related), but the marked influence Airplane and Giles,Giles&Fripp and Hendrix and Spirit had on prog is more evident. It may have laid the ground work in some respects but Mothers of Invention, The Nice, Procol Harum, the Moody Blues, Clouds/123 and maybe one or two others(even PF if we want to throw them in)were doing progressive music(or proto prog)in 1967. Which is why most of those bands are here in full Prog categories: Crossover, Avant, Symph, etc. rather than Proto or -Related like where the Dead might be placed.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Atavachron wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Atavachron wrote: Psych absolutely laid the groundwork if not the rough blueprint for Prog, but inclusions are usually psych artists that had some important impact on what became known as prog rock, i.e. Jefferson Airplane.   Whereas the Dead, Big Brother, and Steppenwolf not so much.   I may think the Dead are a progressive rock band (in fact I do, and have seriously considered as a SC submitting them for Proto or -Related), but the marked influence Airplane and Giles,Giles&Fripp and Hendrix and Spirit had on prog is more evident. It may have laid the ground work in some respects but Mothers of Invention, The Nice, Procol Harum, the Moody Blues, Clouds/123 and maybe one or two others(even PF if we want to throw them in)were doing progressive music(or proto prog)in 1967. Which is why most of those bands are here in full Prog categories: Crossover, Avant, Symph, etc. rather than Proto or -Related like where the Dead might be placed. Yes, that's exactly my point. They were prog bands not psych bands and didn't evolve from psych either(since they were so early).

Atavachron wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Atavachron wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Atavachron wrote: Psych absolutely laid the groundwork if not the rough blueprint for Prog, but inclusions are usually psych artists that had some important impact on what became known as prog rock, i.e. Jefferson Airplane.   Whereas the Dead, Big Brother, and Steppenwolf not so much.   I may think the Dead are a progressive rock band (in fact I do, and have seriously considered as a SC submitting them for Proto or -Related), but the marked influence Airplane and Giles,Giles&Fripp and Hendrix and Spirit had on prog is more evident. It may have laid the ground work in some respects but Mothers of Invention, The Nice, Procol Harum, the Moody Blues, Clouds/123 and maybe one or two others(even PF if we want to throw them in)were doing progressive music(or proto prog)in 1967. Which is why most of those bands are here in full Prog categories: Crossover, Avant, Symph, etc. rather than Proto or -Related like where the Dead might be placed. Yes, that's exactly my point. They were prog bands not psych bands and didn't evolve from psych either(since they were so early).  Psychedelic rock was huge, far bigger than prog ever was even in prog's popular heyday.   It still is, for crying out loud.   The Doors, Hendrix and Pink Floyd (yes Floyd was a psych band) are still far more popular than ELP or Yes or Tull.   Zappa, the Nice, GG&F, most certainly did evolve from Psych, if not in style than in spirit.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - July 30 2019 at 20:34

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And I feel that we can agree to disagree. Discussion is all that is happening here and my perspective is different based on my own life experience...Just as my musical taste is, and everyone else's.  And I appreciate the open discussion without denigration into name-calling etc.  No, during the psych era I was not in the studio with those people, but I know what I heard and how it played out over the ensuing years....I do know how I heard how things changed as they changed, but that isn't in everyone's experience.  I had a very unusual circumstance in being near to the hotbed of pyschedelia and seeing it come close to home in it's time.  And also was certainly listening and going to all of the shows, reading all of the press, etc. during the heyday of the introduction of Prog as it occurred.  And I do contend that without the previous way being paved by what went before, I don't think it would have been as possible for it to flourish.  

Snicolette wrote: And I feel that we can agree to disagree. Discussion is all that is happening here and my perspective is different based on my own life experience...Just as my musical taste is, and everyone else's.  And I appreciate the open discussion without denigration into name-calling etc.  No, during the psych era I was not in the studio with those people, but I know what I heard and how it played out over the ensuing years....I do know how I heard how things changed as they changed, but that isn't in everyone's experience.  I had a very unusual circumstance in being near to the hotbed of pyschedelia and seeing it come close to home in it's time.  And also was certainly listening and going to all of the shows, reading all of the press, etc. during the heyday of the introduction of Prog as it occurred.  And I do contend that without the previous way being paved by what went before, I don't think it would have been as possible for it to flourish.

Re the term progressive rock.

I first heard this term when FM stations in the states started playing whole album sides instead of singles, bands that made albums that catered to this format were called "Progressive Rock Bands". This applied to The Beatles, the Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Santana, Pink Floyd, Allman Brothers, The Who, Mandrill, Procol Harum, The Doors, "Electric Ladyland" album etc
A lot of these bands were also called psychedelic, at the time they were not mutually exclusive terms, that comes later.

The term "Progressive Rock" later sort of morphed under the guidance of a younger generation and began to apply only to certain British bands such as Yes, ELP, King Crimson etc. The rest is history.

Edited by Easy Money - July 30 2019 at 21:22