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Congratulations to all Britons, finally you have a leader who might actually get some things done! Thumbs Up
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guess it is telling I'm finding this of more interest than the Mueller hearings on my mini Stayvacation. I wouldn't call those hearings a waste of time but yeah man...it is a waste of time. He could pull out direct evidence of Trump doing whatever and he isn't getting impeached.. nor to be honest.. will it change hardly anyone's opinion of him. That is like set in concrete with few open minded about him.. which is again why I argue he has as much chance of winning in 2020 as I do becoming a famous porn star. I have the body no doubt.. but I'm not talking about being a model.. but a performer and the 'Mick' would likely be laughed off the screen by any self respecting work of silicon engineering after asking what the hell are they supposed to do with that man..hahah

anyhow.. back to the more interesting at the moment stuff..

popped over to Politico and what caught my eye.. not the big bold Mueller headline.. but this.

Politico has top notch, first rate knowledge and experience with American politics.. not sure about the European side but this article was worth a chuckle.. 



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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Congratulations to all Britons, finally you have a leader who might actually get some things done! Thumbs Up
 

haha...there will be no precise pissing from Boris, he is piss the country all up the wall

We have had some shocking PMs: Lord North who lost America... to the American's, in 1776, a bit careless; Neville Chamberlain who thought Hitler was actually quite a nice and misunderstood man and waved a bit of paper to prove it... 

In the future (if such a thing exists after these moronic leaders) British school history lessons will include some colossal total clusterf**k that Barmy Boris has inflicted on this country.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Thumbs Up  it will be interseting to see what he has up his sleeve.. and perhaps he has a bit of Trump in him and thinks he is some sort of super.. special type that can succeed where he thinks others have failed simply because.. he is special.. or sees himself as such.  I agree he'll like try to negotiate and though I really.. seriously.. doubt the back stop come out perhaps he can some some consessions... but would that be enough.

I really doubt it...  I've read quite a bit of the suspicians of what drives Brexiteer politics and is not simply getting Brexit.  Ie keeping the issue alive is good for them politically... I doubt any kind of WA gets through with the present government.. and that same is not going to allow a instigated 'no deal' withdraw so perhaps again he hopes the EU bails him out and doesn't extend the deadline thus a crashing out which he could rationally spin to blame them.. for not giving him enough time to fix this.  I really can't see the EU doing that. which again brings us to.. where it is at now..  no path forward but the one those in charge don't want..

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Brexit is a vanity project for Johnson. In the past he's spoken passionately about the need to be a member of the EU (just as Corbyn has spoken passionately about not being a slave to Brussels etc) These people will go whichever way the wind blows them, for a slice of power.

I suspect Johnson doesn't really care if we leave or remain, so long as him and his mates hang on to their assets.

There should be no such thing as referenda. I've never understood the value in asking the electorate to make decisions on complex technical issues, they don't understand, and for which we have elected officials and civil servants in place to make those decisions on our behalf.
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Brexit is a vanity project for Johnson. In the past he's spoken passionately about the need to be a member of the EU (just as Corbyn has spoken passionately about not being a slave to Brussels etc) These people will go whichever way the wind blows them, for a slice of power.
 

Certainly Corbyn wasn't like that in the past. Well, one can say many things against Corbyn, but on Brexit I can very well understand his not-really-here-not-really-there position. True, he has changed his mind about what exactly to do a few times, but ultimately it was always clear that he was never passionate about either the EU or Brexit; probably he belongs to those who think that a European Union could be good in principle, but the way it is currently run runs counter to what he'd like - but then this isn't worse than having a Tory government at home (the things Corbyn dislikes most about the EU have been supported or were even started by British governments at the time). So he has some flexibility there and not really a clear stance on his own, which I find OK given that it wasn't him or his party who started the whole damn thing. Obviously the fact that he doesn't have any enthusiasm either way makes him unpopular with most voters these days. That's just tough luck for him, but I wouldn't hold it against him. Actually I can even imagine that with a majority behind him he could have negotiated a soft Brexit/customs union compromise that could have worked OKish, I mean better than anything that the UK might be facing now. 
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Congratulations to all Britons, finally you have a leader who might actually get some things done! Thumbs Up
 
Yes, he might waste £40 million on a bridge across the Thames or £300K on some water cannons that don't get used.
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I read this thread and I want to say good f**king luck to Britain. Britain is f**ked with a no-deal Brexit!
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umm..  I think one point we've sort of been talking over here.  "no deal' 

The EU isn't likely at all to allow it by failing to extend as they can afford to be patient and let this go to its inevitable conclusion. a new general election to break the stalemate unless the WA is somehow approved..... and BJ can't do it as Commons won't let it happen

so how does a 'no deal' realistically happen.. that is more a question that hasn't been answered either here or in anything I've read.. than a statement.


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



Brexit is a vanity project for Johnson. In the past he's spoken passionately about the need to be a member of the EU (just as Corbyn has spoken passionately about not being a slave to Brussels etc) These people will go whichever way the wind blows them, for a slice of power.
 

Certainly Corbyn wasn't like that in the past. Well, one can say many things against Corbyn, but on Brexit I can very well understand his not-really-here-not-really-there position. True, he has changed his mind about what exactly to do a few times, but ultimately it was always clear that he was never passionate about either the EU or Brexit; probably he belongs to those who think that a European Union could be good in principle, but the way it is currently run runs counter to what he'd like - but then this isn't worse than having a Tory government at home (the things Corbyn dislikes most about the EU have been supported or were even started by British governments at the time). So he has some flexibility there and not really a clear stance on his own, which I find OK given that it wasn't him or his party who started the whole damn thing. Obviously the fact that he doesn't have any enthusiasm either way makes him unpopular with most voters these days. That's just tough luck for him, but I wouldn't hold it against him. Actually I can even imagine that with a majority behind him he could have negotiated a soft Brexit/customs union compromise that could have worked OKish, I mean better than anything that the UK might be facing now. 


I've heard Corbyn making a speech in Ireland some years ago, urging them not to ratify the Lisbon (?) treaty. The histroical Labour position on EU membership has always been skeptic; pre NuLabour. Labour opposed our entry into the common market in the mid 70's, and they certianly opposed closer political union and a single currency.

Corbyn is in a difficult position. As a party member, I voted for him in the leadership election, based on his voting record and anti war stance, but on reflection he is not a leader. A bloody good MP, but not a leader, and his virtual silence on the subject of Brexit (and the media's relentless character assassination) are all but guaranteeing tory electoral victory for years to come. IMO.
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Congratulations to all Britons, finally you have a leader who might actually get some things done! Thumbs Up
 
Yes, he might waste £40 million on a bridge across the Thames or £300K on some water cannons that don't get used.

If I had water cannons I would most definitely use them.
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^ first thing I've seen you write in some time that makes any sense.

Hell yeah... never had the chance to blast someone with a water cannon but have been on the receiving end .. the night we nearly burned Stillwater down after beating OU in football for the first time in nearly 30 years. What a night that was. I may even have a couple of kids I don't know of kicking around.  Good thing I was feeling no pain..because that might have hurt.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

  but on reflection he is not a leader. A bloody good MP, but not a leader, 

I'm pretty much 100% with you here.
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again you all are a leg up on us.. here...in a very recently passed  once relatively normal world..  ours wouldn't even be considered suitable for the position of city dogcather and being anywhere close to our beloved pets and animals..  
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Johnson is not much different from Trump. They even look alike.


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yeah.. again.. they do have a leg up on us... Boris could be considered a bit of cutie.. if this dude was a dudette...  and had polished off only one bottle of Stoli.. and him looking for some action.. perhaps I'd give it to him.. 
but Trump.. forget about.. i'd be just as happy to puke that bottle back up all over his shoes and go home sexless.. it happens even to best of us.

I really haven't seen much of the fairer sex of UK poli's ..  now we do have some lookers here.. yes we do...but  hopefully for our UK friends they have a bit more ..umm...inspirational figures than Thatcher or May.. LOL


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

yeah.. again.. they do have a leg up on us... Boris could be considered a bit of cutie.. if this dude was a dudette...  and had polished off only one bottle of Stoli.. and him looking for some action.. perhaps I'd give it to him.. 
but Trump.. forget about.. i'd be just as happy to puke that bottle back up all over his shoes and go home sexless.. it happens even to best of us.

I really haven't seen much of the fairer sex of UK poli's ..  now we do have some lookers here.. yes we do...but  hopefully for our UK friends they have a bit more ..umm...inspirational figures than Thatcher or May.. LOL



Kim Sears, wife of Andy Murray, is quite a looker. Whether she would make a good politician has become dramatically less relevant ever since prince teflon took office.
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How are the obnoxious bigots of PA feeling about this absolute chad move?
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well as obnoxious political bigot #1 primo supremo of PA's I will take that question...

I clicked... then saw the headline of the article you posted.. and immediately clicked out.   As I've alluded to often in the American Politics Thread I am extremely picky in where my get my information, opinions and analysis and avoid like the plague obviously slanted or bias sources of information. That headline screamed.. axe to grind..  and I have no time for stuff like that. 

my opinion...  that is Britain's problem.. and likely the least of a good many problems they have to say nothing of Brexit and how they either implement the 'popular will' and not become a literal 3rd world nation, a vassal state beholden to its far more larger and powerful powers around it  or escape Brexit and political chaos that will likely result from giving a big middle finger to those that voted for it.




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^ Great point about an 'axe to grind'.   I too found the article lacking in any real insight or objectivity.   He chose who he wants to work for him from a pool of less than desirable people just like most politicians do.   Many don't even seem to know how government really works.   In the US if a conservative hired someone who is pro-choice or has made pro gun control statements, they get flack for it and the bowels of government continue to move because someone has to do the work.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

well as obnoxious political bigot #1 primo supremo of PA's I will take that question...

I clicked... then saw the headline of the article you posted.. and immediately clicked out.   As I've alluded to often in the American Politics Thread I am extremely picky in where my get my information, opinions and analysis and avoid like the plague obviously slanted or bias sources of information. That headline screamed.. axe to grind..  and I have no time for stuff like that. 

my opinion...  that is Britain's problem.. and likely the least of a good many problems they have to say nothing of Brexit and how they either implement the 'popular will' and not become a literal 3rd world nation, a vassal state beholden to its far more larger and powerful powers around it  or escape Brexit and political chaos that will likely result from giving a big middle finger to those that voted for it.




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