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Poll Question: Have you changed your mind either way?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2019 at 22:17
Hi,

I have a feeling that this whole thing is going to come down to folks in Parliament and such just having a drunken argument to show that they deserve to get paid for being rich and being there!

They got to show the public that they are "working" you know?

And us stooges, have to believe it, of course!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2019 at 02:35
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
BTW, are referendums obliged to follow the normal electioral count rules (favouring the smaller counties at the detriment of the bigger counties)?
Oe should they be 1 vote counts for 1 vote and not 1.25 because living in the Lake District or the Welsh hills?


Hugues, the general election, if there is another one, would be held on a constituency basis, as are all elections.

So, I live in the constituency of East Carmarthenshire and Dinefwyr. My vote is equal to all votes cast in that constituency, and the candidate with the most votes gets to be an MP. My vote has no impact upon the votes cast in, say, Birmingham North.

If there is another referendum, which I believe is still unlikely, then it is the total votes cast across the country for remain or leave, or whatever the question is, and a simple majority wins.

I believe it highly unlikely that any future Prime Minister will ever agree to a referendum in the near future on any subject given the mess the last one caused. We are a parliamentary democracy, and with good reason.
 
my comment was maybe not reflecting what I meant to say, I'll address this issue I created when I have more time.
 
 
 
As for organizing another referendum , it may seem absurd to you (and probably a majority of UK'ers), but it may be the only solution to end the actual quagmire... If Leave wins again, it will kill the debate... and now that everyone is more aware of the consequences (and not just the immigration issues) if Remain wins (as most everyone feels it will, except for the BoJo-Barrage crowds), it will also cut the debate short
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NutterAlert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2019 at 12:39
where is this going to end up...

before long we could have Boris Johnson hiding in an oak tree in Worcestershire being chased down by Jeremy Corbyn's New Model Army. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2019 at 10:41
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Nobody had posted for almost three months, here? Shocked
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Looks like we could have a general election in October if MP's block a No Deal Brexit.

 
seems like the only sensible solution (IMHO), but one that BoJo The Clown and Nigel Barrage don't want to see happen, so the country have a chance to regain regain some kind of common sense (cos they know they will lose and a second referendum will be organized).
 
That's why the Tories persist in their stupidity and try to force the Brexit before going to an eventual election.
 
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BTW, are referendums obliged to follow the normal electioral count rules (favouring the smaller counties at the detriment of the bigger counties)?
Oe should they be 1 vote counts for 1 vote and not 1.25 because living in the Lake District or the Welsh hills?


Hugues, the general election, if there is another one, would be held on a constituency basis, as are all elections.

So, I live in the constituency of East Carmarthenshire and Dinefwyr. My vote is equal to all votes cast in that constituency, and the candidate with the most votes gets to be an MP. My vote has no impact upon the votes cast in, say, Birmingham North.

If there is another referendum, which I believe is still unlikely, then it is the total votes cast across the country for remain or leave, or whatever the question is, and a simple majority wins.

I believe it highly unlikely that any future Prime Minister will ever agree to a referendum in the near future on any subject given the mess the last one caused. We are a parliamentary democracy, and with good reason.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2019 at 10:28
It really is an utter mess. I watched the statement by Johnson live this afternoon, and it was rather hilarious when it was interrupted by a defection of a Tory MP whose wife would struggle to name to the Lib Dems.

Johnson was not impressive at all, and achieved the almost impossible feat of making Corbyn look statesmanlike in comparison.

Parliament is quite clearly going to take control of the legislature, and will, in all probability, pass a bill instructing Johnson to seek an extension (again) to Article 50. Equally, he is determined not to do so, and thus will seek an election. My hunch here is that the government will seek to pass a binding motion stating that Johnson, by law, will not move the election date beyond October 31st.

So, another election is now utterly certain. The country is still rent asunder. The election will be simple. Leave or remain. I will not dare to anticipate the result, because, quite simply, anything can, and probably will, happen.

What I will say is this. The lies, incompetence, and simple evasion on both sides of the debate has been disgraceful. I have never known our political system and adherents, rightly, held in such utter contempt.

People who are interested in all of this would do worst as to read Rod Liddle's excellent book, The Great Betrayal. Written from a leave voter perspective, it is nonetheless exceptionally and brilliantly evenhanded when discussing said incompetence and lies.

Where on earth this is headed, the Lord alone knows. I will say this. An election is not going to heal the divisions that the cackhanded and ridiculous referendum launched by Cameron have unleashed. There will be trouble ahead.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2019 at 03:31
Nobody had posted for almost three months, here? Shocked
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Looks like we could have a general election in October if MP's block a No Deal Brexit.
 
seems like the only sensible solution (IMHO), but one that BoJo The Clown and Nigel Barrage don't want to see happen, so the country have a chance to regain regain some kind of common sense (cos they know they will lose and a second referendum will be organized).
 
That's why the Tories persist in their stupidity and try to force the Brexit before going to an eventual election.
 
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BTW, are referendums obliged to follow the normal electioral count rules (favouring the smaller counties at the detriment of the bigger counties)?
Oe should they be 1 vote counts for 1 vote and not 1.25 because living in the Lake District or the Welsh hills?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2019 at 03:20
Looks like we could have a general election in October if MP's block a No Deal Brexit.
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

^ It’s the NHS that’s dangerous - feeding the patients chips, biscuits, cakes and mixed drugs then complaining they haven’t got enough resources to cope with the epidemics of diabetes and cancer. I didn’t vote anyway, I decided to contribute to the low turnout figure and the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals were all too embarrassed to put any leaflets through the door.


There is no cancer epidemic. Go lookup up what epidemic means..

That said, I do agree that the NHS is a shambles, and the feeding routines for patients are bizarre and badly managed. The food is appalling, and patients who are too weak to eat but need to eat to gain strength are left alone with their food sitting on front of them, untouched only to be thrown out later. I've seen these on numerous ocassions recently in more than one hospital.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote omphaloskepsis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2019 at 07:34
Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

^ It’s the NHS that’s dangerous - feeding the patients chips, biscuits, cakes and mixed drugs then complaining they haven’t got enough resources to cope with the epidemics of diabetes and cancer. I didn’t vote anyway, I decided to contribute to the low turnout figure and the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals were all too embarrassed to put any leaflets through the door.
 

My God, that's horrifying. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2dogs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2019 at 06:42
^ It’s the NHS that’s dangerous - feeding the patients chips, biscuits, cakes and mixed drugs then complaining they haven’t got enough resources to cope with the epidemics of diabetes and cancer. I didn’t vote anyway, I decided to contribute to the low turnout figure and the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals were all too embarrassed to put any leaflets through the door.
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Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:

I worked as a Poll Clerk last week. Voters mainly older. Could count on one hand how many young people voted. First through the doors were a pair of UKIP supporters who complained about why do you always vote in lead, when there is a sign right behind them with "You can use your favourite pen if you prefer!".
I manage to catch a bit of where some people marked and it was the Brexit Party.
Nigel Farage has dangerous ideas for the NHS so watching people on two crutches voting for them was depressing.
So prepare for a horrible results Sunday. If postal votes are the cavalry then I saw at least three people hand envelopes with their votes in.
See you Sunday night. Very low turnout. If they called the referendum result final, then it would be even more unsafe if it was polled on the turnout of the past EU Elections.
f**k knows what other countries will throw up. Trying not to think about Brexit Party joining forces with others who are far more dangerous.
And of course I'm reminded of that Black Mirror episode with the Teddy Bear CGI avatar who gets pressured to join a new political movement!
 

What's dangerous about Nigel Farage's ideas?  Please explain.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AZF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2019 at 02:54
I worked as a Poll Clerk last week. Voters mainly older. Could count on one hand how many young people voted. First through the doors were a pair of UKIP supporters who complained about why do you always vote in lead, when there is a sign right behind them with "You can use your favourite pen if you prefer!".
I manage to catch a bit of where some people marked and it was the Brexit Party.
Nigel Farage has dangerous ideas for the NHS so watching people on two crutches voting for them was depressing.
So prepare for a horrible results Sunday. If postal votes are the cavalry then I saw at least three people hand envelopes with their votes in.
See you Sunday night. Very low turnout. If they called the referendum result final, then it would be even more unsafe if it was polled on the turnout of the past EU Elections.
f**k knows what other countries will throw up. Trying not to think about Brexit Party joining forces with others who are far more dangerous.
And of course I'm reminded of that Black Mirror episode with the Teddy Bear CGI avatar who gets pressured to join a new political movement!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2dogs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2019 at 22:55
I have Brexit Fatigue. The endless arguing, going round in circles and delaying distractions such as the new leadership contest are putting me off watching the TV news altogether in favour of a quick look on the BBC website to see if anything else is actually happening in the world .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chaser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2019 at 16:22
The end of Theresa May and I can only be amazed that she lasted as long as she did
 
Who's next?  Bojo promising to leave deal or no deal on Halloween?  A kind of scary Halloween clown
 
The only thing certain is that the Brexit saga still has plenty of mileage yet
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chaser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2019 at 10:06
The voters are going to give the establishment parties a good hard kicking.

And, frankly, it's nothing less than they deserve.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tillerman88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2019 at 10:04
Yeah .... no surprise here, as usual the poll follows the trend that rules the world these days..... polarization is the word! 
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Edited by Tillerman88 - May 12 2019 at 10:05
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote omphaloskepsis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2019 at 09:42
Poll shows Brexit Party has more support than Conservative and Labor combined.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/brexit-party-favourite-win-votes-european-elections-says-poll-9500438/
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2019 at 04:56
f**k, I thought it was an April Fool's joke, but apparently it's not!!!LOL  
 
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2019 at 06:45
^^^ Yes, that is literally no more ludicrous than what's going on at the moment. In some ways it's actually better, because it eliminates political posturing and puts it all down to chance, so we no one can be accused of playing party politics, or simply being a w&nker.
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