Brexit: A change of heart??

Chaser wrote: So, the "indicative votes" indicated nothing at all, as all options were rejected. They don't want another referendum, they don't want a general election, they don't want a Norway option, they don't want no deal, they don't want May's deal, and they don't want to revoke Article 50. Meanwhile the Maybot has offered to send herself to the junkyard, but only if they vote for her deal. It's one minute to midnight and we're still sat in the Hotel California on mind bending drugs with no idea and no clue and having lost all touch with reality.

How did these folks become politicians without learning how to cut deals and work out compromises? Let this serve also as a wake up call to the millions infatuated with fringe ideologies. Centrism may have got complacent and greedy but it got things done. There's nothing wimpy about consensus. It is a necessary condition for a lawmaking body to retain relevance, else this is what you get.

A more cynical interpretation could be that they have all set up big shorts on the pound which they can't afford to wreck now by passing a deal. So no deal it will have to be.

Edited by rogerthat - March 28 2019 at 04:04

Lewian wrote: Lewian wrote: May may still get her deal through in the end, which would be quite an achievement... losing her way to victory. Of course the whole thing is a shambles, but if May gets through all this humiliation, and in the end it turns out nobody has a better plan than her, I'll raise my hat to her. Surely now the lady has overplayed her hand and that was that. Last chance to get this through and for her to turn this mess into a success is gone now.

Nope. Put your money on her putting the deal to Parliament again next week up against whatever option is chosen on Monday in the indicative votes. In other words, a penalty shootout.

All good fun

lazland wrote: Put your money on her putting the deal to Parliament again next week up against whatever option is chosen on Monday in the indicative votes. In other words, a penalty shootout. All good fun

Lewian wrote: lazland wrote: Put your money on her putting the deal to Parliament again next week up against whatever option is chosen on Monday in the indicative votes. In other words, a penalty shootout. All good fun You're right, she may well try again. I don't see her winning though. I don't think she should have tried the third one without having a proper chance of winning. I think it could've been just about tolerated to get this through in the third attempt with all that time pressure and after parliament couldn't find a majority for anything else, however after the third defeat a fourth attempt now looks really ridiculous and everyone who votes for it and hadn't before will look as spineless as a worm.  PS: I don't think parlamentary rules allow a shootout. You can ask for one thing yes or no, I don't think you can ask for one or another.

It is not quite as simple as you suggest in your last sentence.

Basically, the U.K. does not have a written constitution, so many of the rules are made up as they go along. The unwritten rule for over 100 years is that Government sets the agenda in Parliament. That is why they hate the Letwin process so much of the MPs setting the agenda last week, and this forthcoming week.

The Speaker is the ultimate arbiter of what gets debated and voted upon. Bercow is not well disposed towards either the government or his old party. He was also a keen Remainer, so it is entirely possible that he will continue to insist that May cannot bring the same old deal back for what would be a fourth time now. Equally, Parliamentary procedures are so arcane that it is more likely that Government will find a way around this, and finally bully their lot to support her deal as opposed to the likely soft Brexit, or second referendum, MPs will vote for next week.

Nobody, least of all those in power, have a clue what is going to happen next. Whatever does happen, this farce will dominate our politics for years to come.

My hunch is that Labour may well offer to support May's deal subject to it being put to the people for a confirmatory referendum. The other choice would be remain.

Having said that, my hunch could be absolutely wrong.

Not one of us knows. What a mess.......

^^^ Yes, that is literally no more ludicrous than what's going on at the moment. In some ways it's actually better, because it eliminates political posturing and puts it all down to chance, so we no one can be accused of playing party politics, or simply being a w&nker.

f**k, I thought it was an April Fool's joke, but apparently it's not!!!  

Edited by Tillerman88 - May 12 2019 at 10:05

The end of Theresa May and I can only be amazed that she lasted as long as she did

I worked as a Poll Clerk last week. Voters mainly older. Could count on one hand how many young people voted. First through the doors were a pair of UKIP supporters who complained about why do you always vote in lead, when there is a sign right behind them with "You can use your favourite pen if you prefer!".
I manage to catch a bit of where some people marked and it was the Brexit Party.
Nigel Farage has dangerous ideas for the NHS so watching people on two crutches voting for them was depressing.
So prepare for a horrible results Sunday. If postal votes are the cavalry then I saw at least three people hand envelopes with their votes in.
See you Sunday night. Very low turnout. If they called the referendum result final, then it would be even more unsafe if it was polled on the turnout of the past EU Elections.
f**k knows what other countries will throw up. Trying not to think about Brexit Party joining forces with others who are far more dangerous.
And of course I'm reminded of that Black Mirror episode with the Teddy Bear CGI avatar who gets pressured to join a new political movement!

^ It’s the NHS that’s dangerous - feeding the patients chips, biscuits, cakes and mixed drugs then complaining they haven’t got enough resources to cope with the epidemics of diabetes and cancer. I didn’t vote anyway, I decided to contribute to the low turnout figure and the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals were all too embarrassed to put any leaflets through the door.