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Chaser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2018 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 1202 |
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^ Yeah, Stephen Barclay telling MPs to vote for the motion and then walking off to vote against it was absolutely priceless.
Brexit has certainly been entertaining, in a black comedy sort of way |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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^ pfff.. .I don't know about you but I havne't got the mental image of f**king Theresa May out of my mind. Granted I have fantasys about Hillary and dat ass.. ummm hmmm.. but she was quite the looker back in the day. Not sure if I really want to see what she looked like in her youth.
though I was watching the livestream of the votes last week... you do have some prime f**king A MILF material serving.. perhaps the day will come come when politicians stop talking and compensated for their penis's.. and get real.. and start talking bra sizes. Hell yeah!!! being a democrat rules man.. beats being an old white Republican guy and popping blue pills to get up and oggling young boys in bathrooms to help get with it after speaking to the latest meetings of Fundy christian groups haha
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Chaser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2018 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 1202 |
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^ Theresa May would definitely be a double bagger, but if f**king her would sort out Brexit then even I might give it a go.
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I have seen some shocking and unpalatable comments on Brexit, but this one wins the award by a long chalk ![]() |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ Agreed. I'd sooner bang Boris Johnson (at least he's got tits)
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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IMHO, the EU will gladly allow a short extension, if only to allow most of the continental firms to better prepare the customs paperworks and find alternative partners. But remember that outside the current crisis, no-one on the continent really wants the UK to leave
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Ian, we haven't been on friendly terms for a while (your erasure of my post after Belgium's win over England at last WC proves that), but let me explain a few things as honestly (and hopefully politely) as I can , just to explain how much of the planet sees English (and therefore British) behaviour You gotta be kidding if you think these countries would sign up for entry of the UK inside the EEEA: - First in terms of size and demography, that would be like the EC accepting China & India and become instantly the minority. - Second, the UK behaviour inside the EC - after forcing themselves in (they were refused a first time in 63) - ever since joining up in 73 should disgust most anyone to sign anything with them... Out of the 45 years the UK has been inside the EU, they've been a major nuisance for +/- 35 years ... Only the 73-79 years and Blair era have the UK been more or less constructive... For the rest, they've been disruptive at best and destructive most of the time. - allowing the UK inside their EEEA-EC deal could actually jeopardize the very existence of the EEEA and the deal they've got, because no doubt the EC would want to renegotiate that deal, precisely because of this inclusion. - No doubt Norway, Iceland, Switzerland are aware of the Perfidious Albion nature by now: signing agreements & pacts and do everything not to respect them or find ways to go around them. Like it or not, it's much more than just a reputation the slimy limeys (a typical US expression for the English - yup, even them think that) have been building themselves for centuries. - the way the parliament has cheated the Northern Irish, and especially the Scottish is simply scandalous: They waited the Scott Independence referendum to hold the Brexit afterwards. If that had been fair, they should've done it the other way around, thus presenting Scotland the real choice: the current mess or the EU (no doubt Scotland would almost be in the EU as a separate entity nowadays). Same with the Irish, getting the support of Orangist/loyalists (the ugly guys in the Irish tragedy and a very mean & boisterous minority) is totally disloyal to the majority of Ulsterians that actually want Europe. Soooo, not only are the English screwing the Scots and Ulsterians up the butt (go figure why the Welsh are agreeing with Brexit ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() However, we are very glad to have the UK as a neighbour ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Soooooo hopefully, after spiting your coffee out of rage on your screen when reading this at first ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BTW, just in case you haven't realised: the Polish, Ukrainians, Romanians (all so-feared/hated by the deep country dwellers) are all very nice immigrants, and the last thing they want is to destroy the "Occident", which probably not the case of many of those southern-Asians, just in for the ride, but hating occidental values. Edited by Sean Trane - March 18 2019 at 04:17 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Ian, we haven't been on friendly terms for a while (your erasure of my post after Belgium's win over England at last WC proves that), but let me explain a few things as honestly (and hopefully politely) as I can , just to explain how much of the planet sees English (and therefore British) behaviour You gotta be kidding if you think these countries would sign up for entry of the UK inside the EEEA: - First in terms of size and demography, that would be like the EC accepting China & India and become instantly the minority. - Second, the UK behaviour inside the EC - after forcing themselves in (they were refused a first time in 63) - ever since joining up in 73 should disgust most anyone to sign anything with them... Out of the 45 years the UK has been inside the EU, they've been a major nuisance for +/- 35 years ... Only the 73-79 years and Blair era have the UK been more or less constructive... For the rest, they've been disruptive at best and destructive most of the time. - allowing the UK inside their EEEA-EC deal could actually jeopardize the very existence of the EEEA and the deal they've got, because no doubt the EC would want to renegotiate that deal, precisely because of this inclusion. - No doubt Norway, Iceland, Switzerland are aware of the Perfidious Albion nature by now: signing agreements & pacts and do everything not to respect them or find ways to go around them. Like it or not, it's much more than just a reputation the slimy limeys (a typical US expression for the English - yup, even them think that) have been building themselves for centuries. - the way the parliament has cheated the Northern Irish, and especially the Scottish is simply scandalous: They waited the Scott Independence referendum to hold the Brexit afterwards. If that had been fair, they should've done it the other way around, thus presenting Scotland the real choice: the current mess or the EU (no doubt Scotland would almost be in the EU as a separate entity nowadays). Same with the Irish, getting the support of Orangist/loyalists (the ugly guys in the Irish tragedy and a very mean & boisterous minority) is totally disloyal to the majority of Ulsterians that actually want Europe. Soooo, not only are the English screwing the Scots and Ulsterians up the butt (go figure why the Welsh are agreeing with Brexit ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() However, we are very glad to have the UK as a neighbour ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Soooooo hopefully, after spiting your coffee out of rage on your screen when reading this at first ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() BTW, just in case you haven't realised: the Polish, Ukrainians, Romanians (all so-feared/hated by the deep country dwellers) are all very nice immigrants, and the last thing they want is to destroy the "Occident", which probably not the case of many of those southern-Asians, just in for the ride, but hating occidental values.
[/QUOTE] No rage from me. (are you saying I erased one of your posts even though I'm not an admin? ![]() The Scottish parliament has no devolved legislative jurisdiction over international matters i.e. the UK parliament is deemed sovereign, the Scottish parliament is not. Just for some more clarity (and you cannot be blamed for maybe not knowing this) I'm Scottish, a British citizen still, who lives in Australia principally because it's about as far as I could get from the 'Perfidious Albion' (and Eurovision). Had I been allowed to vote in the referendum, I would have voted to remain. I'm not sure describing nationalities as 'slimy' 'hating occidental values' or appreciative of sodomy is particularly helpful but reported racism clearly isn't real racism and this just might be your zany European humour at play. I'm also not sure why you conflate English with British? (unless you are again just reporting on perceptions for which you have appointed yourself planetary spokesman) You also seem to imply, deliberately or otherwise, with your remarks on Poles, Ukrainians and Romanians resident in the UK that I am resentful of their presence there. How can someone who emigrated from the UK to another country in 2000 be anti migration? I have no beef with you Sean, but you clearly have deep seated issues with anything or anyone remotely connected to the UK and I can't help you with that I'm afraid.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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- I knew you were British and but not a Scot. ![]() - Fleeing Eurovision is perfectly acceptable reason to cross the planet. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() - My remarks about the polish (etc...) immigrants was that most of the leavers acknowledged that eastern European immigration was "dangerous" for their well-being ... The main Leave argument aimed at the working class was the immigration of non-commonwealth countries, including intra-EU emigration. Hence, this had nothing to do with your unspecified opinion, though, rest assured. - What I meant with the Scot referendum is that London authorized it as long as it was before the Brexit one. Had this been done the other way (and the Leave winning), I'm sure (and Westminster, too) Scotland would've noted a Leave UK instead of a remain. - England (read Westminster) being the very dominant partner in the UK (for obvious demographic reasons), it certainly feels to continental observers that the debate was severely and voluntarily skewed by the order of the two referendums they had chosen. Therefore London would've never organized the two referendums the other way around regardless of the Brexit results (though I'm fairly confident that Scotland would've remained in the UK if the UK had chosen first to remain in the EU, if consulted afterwards) - And yes, I often try out zany very-risqué humour (not necessarily European)... and often realize that it might not be as funny as I thought it would be after seeing the reactions. ![]() ![]() BTW, after I'd mentioned the Brexit as a dumb football fan, I had replied to your cartoon (depicting a sinking EU) posting something similar to my second point, and it remained only an hour... I assumed it was either you or that you complained about it to the admins. Never mind, it's water under the bridge. You're right, though my second post didn't belong to a sport thread. in all cases, sorry if my post didn't go down as well as I expected it to.
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Chaser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2018 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 1202 |
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Looks like Bercow's blocking another vote on the deal unless it's substantially different from last time (which it almost certainly won't be)
Now the sh*t's really hitting the fan! |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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wow man.. I mean really.. just when you think it can't even worse. I'll admit to being blindsided by this.. but I ain't a limey.. nor a MP... seriously man.. there should be riots in the streets and a few torches and pitchforks.
1604 you say.. and none of the MP's.. . or the damn government took this into account. hard to come up with adjectives that make jumping off a cliff without a parachute worse... but way to go Britain.. you've topped that... making even that seem o.k.. but to get more stupid than that.. no words.. just speechless.. I thought this.. and the that one reply sums things up perfectly. It seems no one really is thinking over there. Makes our clown show here look .. downright responsible. And that is saying something... |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Same thoughts here. I have a specific hatred for Modi and dislike Indian politicians per se. In Suketu Mehta's delightful book Maximum City, an underworld Don the writer spoke to described politicians as even worse than gangsters. ![]() |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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I think that even the least idiotic politician in Westminster (the housesitter or babysitter?) can't help save the drowning ship, despite a good move (brilliant article below, anyways)
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18043 |
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Hi,
I don't really like to discuss politics, as the ideas and concepts are so different and far apart that the simplest idea ... of getting together for the common good, is the very first thought to get thrown out of the door and into the proverbial stink pot! For my tastes, the "separation" will become a nightmare for artists and specially musicians ... all of a sudden a payment translation to another currency will be too high, or too low, and that band, or artist, or writer, ends up losing in the process. I'm OK with a certain amount of greed. I'm not OK with the usual ideal in England and America that the rich have to get richer, and get another pool in their third house, and that the poor pay for it ... and those that make less, will be the ones that lose the ability to travel around Europe and other nice little benefits that will be thrown down the stink pot. Almost all of the commentary about this thing in England, is scary to me ... it's all by some really well to do folks, merely trying to "nationalize" their economy, which happens to be something they don't have, unless you consider some music, some Victorian pornography and English tea as some sort of trade-able convenience. In the end, I think the whole thing is hiding its real intent ... the folks in charge, not wanting to sell anything to many countries because they can not get their high price ... plain and simple ... and this is the same thing that is happening in America that is hurting the economy ... one day it goes for the money and the next day it goes for heaven knows what? All in all, my contention still is, that this is a malicious idea that is in the hands of the richest people to do what they want ... which is to get/make more money ... and those folks still do not know that they can not get that kind of money in just about every country in Latin America, or Africa, and even in most of Europe ... and England losing Germany as one of their trade friends, will make this whole thing a huge disaster ... and honestly ... I don't want to see a whole government and political process fall apart ... but the rich thing in England needs to wake up or die ... faster!
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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Da Bitch is really totally
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Chaser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2018 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 1202 |
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Total mess by our incompetent government!
I can see why we wanted to get rid of those EU bureaucrats and put control back in the hands of our so much more competent government and parliament. What we should have had is Donald Trump to sort it all out for us (apparently) ![]() |
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Chaser ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2018 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 1202 |
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The cliff appears to have moved (a little)
More time for the UK to debate should we stay or should we go... |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13785 |
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Europe will now be banking on one of,two outcomes: 1. We crash out without a deal 2. May is toast, and we either hold a general election, fresh referendum, or someone new asks for a lengthy extension to negotiate a new deal. The latter is most unlikely if there is no election, as there is no way the Tories will elect a pragmatist as leader in these times I cannot see May's deal going through, even if Bercow does allow it to be heard. She is a shrivelled husk of a PM, a zombie stalking the corridors of Westminster and Whitehall. As for whoever the people are who advise her, it beggars belief. There was a funny article in The Guardian, in which Marina Hyde (correctly) stated that David Cameron now had a very good chance of being remembered as only the second worst Prime Minister in history. Just about sums it up nicely. What an unutterable mess. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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![]() I wonder how Cameron fared in opinions before he launched the Brexit referendum (circa the end of his Gv't with the Libs), though.. It seems somehow a bit unjust that this Etonite would be remembered only for that blunder, just like people remember Tony as B.Liar.... Before that Irak thing, I think Blair was doing ok (at least from a continental PoV) |
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The NuLabour machine was a powerful one, with some fairly dark characters in the background, pulling strings and greasing poles. They were a very media friendly entity, and Blair was admired on the world stage. He was a talented politician, I'll give him that, and I gave him my vote in 1997. Their time in office was very carefully choreographed.
He actually was doing ok on the home front, I guess and the UK needed a change of government badly. Blair and Cameron, though were cut from similar cloth. They were a pair of free market fanatic, small c conservatives, who hid their capitalist vulgarities, and war mongering inclinations behind a veil of liberal arbitrary diversity quotas. |
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