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charles_ryder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2014 Location: St.Petersburg Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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When I'm hearing some Judas Priest albums it's seems to me I listen some prog elements, or maybe they'll play something prog related the next moment. I'm alone? Or someone more listen this prog elements?
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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You're alone. They're a heavy metal band...
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Davesax1965 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
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Yes, got to agree, "heavy metal".
All right, they did a few unusual songs like "The Green Manalishi", Peter Green cover, but they're heavy metal. You could include Black Sabbath in the "prog" category as some of their earlier stuff is more "progressive", small "p", but the problem with this site is that prog rock is seen as being a very broad church and things get included which shouldn't be, probably due to the lack of genuine stuff to talk about. ;-) |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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A lot of heavy metal has some prog influence, because the band members listened to prog growing up. It doesn't make them prog related in any meaningful way.
Bruce Dickinson and Steve Harris of Iron Maiden are big prog fans, and legend has it that one of the reasons Harris decided to form a heavy metal band instead of a prog rock band, is because he knew they would get the sh*t kicked out of them in the East End pubs of London, during the punk explosion, if they tried to play prog rock to that audience. Metal was a suitable compromise between punk and prog. You can hear prog rock influences in anything from Manowar to Metallica, but they're still just good ole heavy metal. |
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charles_ryder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2014 Location: St.Petersburg Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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if I remember right, they were discussed for prog related but rejected.
still one of my favorite heavy metal bands.
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15342 |
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They are a heavy metal band for sure but the album NOSTRADAMUS is a good case for prog related. Their medicore attempt at a concept album that takes up two discs but even considering that album prog would be stretching it. I think of it more as art metal.
Prog elements don't make a prog album. Which elements are you referring to exactly? Every band has tiny snippets of prog somewhere hiding but not enough to be called prog! ![]() |
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charles_ryder ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2014 Location: St.Petersburg Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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I mean rather some "sense of prog", not the prog elements stricto sensu. And I'm ineteresting has someone the similar sense. Now it's clear to me, and I'm agree: the singular elements of prog doesn't makes the music of the band progressive.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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As stated they would not fit a prog-related category, which I actually hate that descriptor, everyone is "prog-related" especially if you started out in the 70's.
Back then you could easily have listened to Judas Priest, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Yes and Genesis and never thought once what the sub-genre was. As you say the sense of prog is there..... Go to the MetalMusicArchives where the Priest lives better.... |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37107 |
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I'm voting yes on how I understand the question as illustrated and interpret the phrasing of the question. While I would not endorse the inclusion of Judas Priest in Prog Archives and would not describe Judas Priest as a Prog Related band, I hear a Heavy Prog Relation in music off the early Judas Priest albums albums such as Sad Wings of Destiny and Rocka Rolla and a Prog Metal Relation in Nostradamus. So when voting "yes" I'm rephrasing the question from "Isn't Priest a Prog Related Band?" to "Is Priest a Prog Related Band?" (to avoid possible confusion as it's been phrased in the negative form), then to "Does Judas Priest have music with a Prog relation?"
I think that JP has music that is comparable to music we have in PA such as Black Sabbath and other music on the Heavy Metal/ Hard Bluesy Rock side that we have in PA (that said, I do think that BS had the stronger case for inclusion). Indeed there is a huge amount of music from the 70s that had Prog elements or a Prog influence without necessarily being considered Prog or Prog Related. Last night I was listening again to Parliament's first album Osmium, and like early Funkadelic, there is a "Progginess" to it (sorry if that P word annoys). I'm reminded of an old discussion where Funkadelic was suggested (not by me) for inclusion, and there seemed to be claims that Funkadelic/ Parliament has nothing to do with Prog or was a completely ludicrous suggestion, which I found rather baffling as P-Funk has music that clearly has a Prog Relation to my ears, which is not to say that it/they should be included in the Archives. There are a great many such cases. |
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If you want the blow by blow discussion I have the thread for you. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47114&KW=judas+priest&PID=2793608#2793608
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37107 |
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^ That was an interesting discussion. While I didn't add much to it, it did get me to explore more Judas Priest. It's interesting to compare that discussion with this one -- there generally was more "fire" and hard debate in the forums back then. It was subsequently suggested for inclusion several times, this is another of the longer threads: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82433 (this time from 2011).
They can be a Heavy Metal band and have a Prog Relation, and the evidence of the many threads suggesting Judas Priest for PA inclusion suggests to me that the OP is not alone, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding your position and/ or you were just being sarcastic (I've been told that I don't get irony, ironically, when I was responding to someone ironically in a self-deprecating manner). It's hard to read people online in a sufficiently nuanced and charitable manner sometimes, and I try to be liberal-minded when it comes to such discussions (i.e. keep an open mind). |
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Squonk19 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2015 Location: Darlington, UK Status: Offline Points: 4789 |
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Never thought of them as remotely 'prog' at the time I saw them at their heavy metal peak in the 70s/80s - although certain tracks from Sad Wings of Destiny and even later on with Nostrodamus had proggy leanings. Can I nominate 'United' as the least proggy song of all time
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Like the pic of them above....they must have had a sale on leather jackets one size too small.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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damn.. a literal greatest hits thread of many of our dearly departed forum greats..
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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It's called progression man, people find other krapp to do........My question is why did they never come back? I miss TheProgtologist.....
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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well in all honestly Jose.. you've been around long enough to know this.. this forum isn't what it used to be and is rehashes (like this thread) of topics done many many times over the years.
pluse there is my theory on the state of prog today and the disintegration of what we once had as far as a prog community.. it really has fragmented and this site is not the meeting place or ground zero of prog it once was.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15342 |
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I want somebody to explain WHY they think Judas Priest is prog related.
NOT that Metallica is here so why not them etc. Details! Which elements of Judas Priest qualify? Personally i own every friggin album and find zero reason to even consider them. Yes, they are a classic heavy metal band, but prog? REALLY?
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Possibly the quintessential (if not best) heavy metal band. They practically define that genre. Prog related is pushing it, though they did have lots of songs with dramatic pacing and multiple sections beyond verse/chorus/bridge.
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