Brexit: A change of heart??

And best of all when it falls apart and the UK stays it will have to adopt EU laws that nobody voted for as they thought we were leaving!
Well played.

Davesax1965 wrote: Oh yes, Tory meltdown.  By the same token, I've been a lifelong old school Labour voter. Do I think Jeremy Corbyn would do a better job ? I'm afraid not.  We have a completely blundering and odious party in control and no real alternatives. Rudderless ship as we go over the Brexit waterfall.

Probably for a different thread but the fact David Cameron (and I'm a lot better at typing his name these days without gghtfdryhjnb etc!) was very, very keen for the hopeless prick to be on the leadership ballot suddenly makes a lot of sense.

Oh yes, Tory meltdown. 

By the same token, I've been a lifelong old school Labour voter. Do I think Jeremy Corbyn would do a better job ? I'm afraid not. 

We have a completely blundering and odious party in control and no real alternatives. Rudderless ship as we go over the Brexit waterfall. 

David Cameron gambled and lost.

He offered a referendum because he thought it would be another hung parliament (as all the polls were suggesting) and he would never actually have to go through with it.

Then the Tories won the election and he was forced to go through with it.

He needed to put down the euro skeptics in his own party and halt the rise of UKIP that was threatening to take Tory seats.

A huge miscalculation I certainly agree.

According to tomorrow's front newspapers a deal is done and May presenting it to cabinet.
Corbyn also had meeting with MI6 about the tricks.
Still unreported the sanctioned woman who set fire to herself in Tory constituency meeting.
The United Nations investigating extreme poverty got slightly more press.
The UK government could blame the EU for not helping as much with those problems and the EU could blame the UK government for not doing enough with those problems.
Be mad if it doesn't happen and Corbyn goes!
And if another direction gets declared before another vote etc, then get on to your Town Hall by phone, ask to be put to the presiding office and if they go "What the hell is that you f**kwit?" say you want to volunteer to work as a Poll Clerk.
If you really, really love staying up all night seeing the results come in then give it a miss as you need the sleep after being up since 5 am until however long it takes to get home.

Hopefully some money in the bank if an election comes up. But Brexit deal "Done" next chess move...

It doesn't matter what you vote for in the UK.  You get what the ruling classes want. 

Referendums are not legally binding, however, David Cameron made it clear that this was a "once in a generation vote" which would settle the issue for decades to come.

To now try to re-run the vote because the ruling classes didn't get the result they wanted would completely destroy the public's already fragile faith in democracy in our country.

The result must stand, for good or for bad, and only time will tell which it is

I agree! You either have democracy or you don't.

If you have democracy then, by definition, you accept the people's choice, even IF the people have made a bad choice.

I think the jury is out regarding the success or failure of Brexit, and it will be for a long time.

Only in 10 to 20 years will we be able to form a clear judgement regarding whether it was a success or a failure.

Chaser wrote: I certainly agree with you that the debate was toxic and both campaigns were dreadful. The falsehoods of the Leave campaign are well documented, but the strategy of the Remain campaign, in trying to frighten voters into staying in the EU rather than explaining the benefits of membership, was a fatal error. The result is the price of that failure.

Chaser wrote: But being in the EU is either a good thing in itself or it isn't. If being in the EU is self evidently a good thing then the EU doesn't need to take measures to prevent populations from voting to leave! They won't want to leave anyway. The fact we're saying that the EU has to make Brexit look like a bad idea suggests that EU membership is not self evidently good for its citizens

That's the problem. Membership is both good and bad. No political system results in everyone being a winner, so it's a question of balancing the good with the bad and coming to an informed conclusion. As a nation I believe we didn't do that, thanks to the toxic nature of both campaigns in the referendum.