Zeppelin and the Occult

James Lee wrote: gdub411 wrote: God spelled backwards is dog and I like doggies so I like God too. Actually, wouldn't that imply you liked seiggod? gdub likes Sigod! Oooo, I'm tellin' !

rather quick that james!

James Lee wrote: Rob The Plant wrote: BAH! Good luck mate. We didn't jsut decide one day that there will be a God. It's natural to create religion. Religion is not a bad thing, it's just been corrupted, but essentially it's good. What makes you think religion is intrinsically good? Do you believe mankind is essentially good?

Good, bad, a little bit of both.

Reed Lover wrote: James Lee wrote: gdub411 wrote: God spelled backwards is dog and I like doggies so I like God too. Actually, wouldn't that imply you liked seiggod? gdub likes Sigod! Oooo, I'm tellin' ! rather quick that james!

Who doesn't like dogs. Much better than cats!

James Lee wrote: I'm a sucker for anagrams and palindromes. Another nerdish tendency.

knowing the word palindrome makes you a nerd.

Hangedman wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Hangedman wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Hangedman wrote: Just a comment, being an agnost i find it astounding that someone who is athiest to call someone who is religious an idiot or vice versa. Isnt it just as likely for a god to exist as for the universe to just exist for no reason? Both require something to be created out of nothing, which is scientifically impossible. So both require a measure of faith, which is the defining word of religion. Please when critisizing someone else's beliefs please be tolerant. And remember although i dont believe it, even Steven Hawkings big bang theory requires divine intervention, but then Hawkings doesnt believe in it himself. Who says the Universe is created out of nothing. What is nothing? Does nothing exist? Who made Stephen Hawking the authority on the Universe? God is dead. Working bottom to top now. "God" was never alive as far as I'm concerned, I'm an agnost. If you can find one person (unless your religious) whose theories are more sensible, or downright intelligent than Mr. Hawking's I will study them intensively and maybe convert into whatever it is they are preaching(including atheism, or if its simply objective then ill stay the same). My point is that even with Einstien's theories there is a point where everything begins and is created. Atheism is a form of creationism that suggests that either it was always here or that it was created by accident, both of which are statiscally impossible, just like a god existing. Holier than though atheists are just as annoying as the worst holier than though Christians. When will people just accept that people have different opinions, sometimes there is no way to prove that any are right. So any of you athiests, christians, muslims, buhddists, hindus, or anything else Give us proof or just leave people to believe in what they will. I dont think that the Pope or The Ayotollah would agree that it is a matter of opinion. Mr Hawking is NOT the leader in his field,nor does he claim to be.Theories he has helped to formulate have, by his own admission, been "proven" wrong. It seemed perfectly commonsense to me, for instance, that nothing could escape from a Black Hole. This is now believed to be not the case but as recently as 3 years ago was touted as fact.Mr Hawking has said as much himself. Believing in God is ridiculous. What was once a device to explain the change of the seasons, the falling of rain and even the failure of crops should not now be given any credence.Proving that God doesnt exist is easy. We invented him! I believe you have the right to believe what you believe,but this "let's agree to differ" attitude is a cop out. Only a complete idiot would spend at least 10 years in education and not learn anything.These people teach us to think, then tell us not to. Reed, what im trying to say is that by saying things like God is dead, is belittling people for thier beliefs, no matter how stupid it seems to people like myself to believe in god doesnt make it a universal theme. The only religious argument i ever try to make is "Let people believe what they want to" because if your an athiest for example what the heck difference does it make in the end?

It makes no difference to me if i go into church for a wedding, funeral etc.
I quite like singing hymns.It is all gobbledygook.But harmless?
It doesnt harm me per se but it sure as hell causes hurt, injury and death for many people.
And what really bugs me:

We have a law against blasphemy in this country!

So dont tell me it does no harm.

Science books in some educational institutions in the Southern States Of USA, say that Evolution is put forward by some scientists, but it is generally accepted that the creation ideology of the bible is the correct staement of events.

Do not tell me it does no harm.

However. I can do nothing about this apparently.God will always "exist" because the majority want him too.

Garion81 wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Hangedman wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Hangedman wrote: Reed Lover wrote: Hangedman wrote: Just a comment, being an agnost i find it astounding that someone who is athiest to call someone who is religious an idiot or vice versa. Isnt it just as likely for a god to exist as for the universe to just exist for no reason? Both require something to be created out of nothing, which is scientifically impossible. So both require a measure of faith, which is the defining word of religion. Please when critisizing someone else's beliefs please be tolerant. And remember although i dont believe it, even Steven Hawkings big bang theory requires divine intervention, but then Hawkings doesnt believe in it himself. Who says the Universe is created out of nothing. What is nothing? Does nothing exist? Who made Stephen Hawking the authority on the Universe? God is dead. Working bottom to top now. "God" was never alive as far as I'm concerned, I'm an agnost. If you can find one person (unless your religious) whose theories are more sensible, or downright intelligent than Mr. Hawking's I will study them intensively and maybe convert into whatever it is they are preaching(including atheism, or if its simply objective then ill stay the same). My point is that even with Einstien's theories there is a point where everything begins and is created. Atheism is a form of creationism that suggests that either it was always here or that it was created by accident, both of which are statiscally impossible, just like a god existing. Holier than though atheists are just as annoying as the worst holier than though Christians. When will people just accept that people have different opinions, sometimes there is no way to prove that any are right. So any of you athiests, christians, muslims, buhddists, hindus, or anything else Give us proof or just leave people to believe in what they will. I dont think that the Pope or The Ayotollah would agree that it is a matter of opinion. Mr Hawking is NOT the leader in his field,nor does he claim to be.Theories he has helped to formulate have, by his own admission, been "proven" wrong. It seemed perfectly commonsense to me, for instance, that nothing could escape from a Black Hole. This is now believed to be not the case but as recently as 3 years ago was touted as fact.Mr Hawking has said as much himself. Believing in God is ridiculous. What was once a device to explain the change of the seasons, the falling of rain and even the failure of crops should not now be given any credence.Proving that God doesnt exist is easy. We invented him! I believe you have the right to believe what you believe,but this "let's agree to differ" attitude is a cop out. Only a complete idiot would spend at least 10 years in education and not learn anything.These people teach us to think, then tell us not to. Reed, what im trying to say is that by saying things like God is dead, is belittling people for thier beliefs, no matter how stupid it seems to people like myself to believe in god doesnt make it a universal theme. The only religious argument i ever try to make is "Let people believe what they want to" because if your an athiest for example what the heck difference does it make in the end? It makes no difference to me if i go into church for a wedding, funeral etc. I quite like singing hymns.It is all gobbledygook.But harmless? It doesnt harm me per se but it sure as hell causes hurt, injury and death for many people. And what really bugs me: We have a law against blasphemy in this country! So dont tell me it does no harm. Science books in some educational institutions in the Southern States Of USA, say that Evolution is put forward by some scientists, but it is generally accepted that the creation ideology of the bible is the correct staement of events. Do not tell me it does no harm. However. I can do nothing about this apparently.God will always "exist" because the majority want him too.     Thats the reason we keep doing it Reed!  Just to piss you off!   Just like not cutting the quotes on this note so you had to wait the whole time just to read that.   BTW did you just blaspheme a few posts ago?  I'm telling Mr. Blair on you.

A hell of a  lot of quoting of quotes mate!

Follow your own advice !!!!!!!!!!

YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO!

The level of any debate on religion. Don't even try to point out how ridiculous religion is because anyone with even a smidgen of sympathy for it will simply tune you out,even if you were able to slam incontrovertible proof that god doesn't exist on the table in front of them,they would still deny it. There's no way logic and reason can win against anyone who has decided to wave goodbye to both. Stephen Baxter has written that religious people has signed away half their brain and how can any amount of intelligent,reasoned argument reach someone like that? According to an article in New Scientist, whenever we discuss something with someone who we know have the opposite viewpoint,we automatically tune them out,we hear the words but they don't register. Even before the person has opened his/her mouth,if we know they have the opposite view from us,we have already decided to disagree with everything they say. It doesn't apply to everyone,but exceptions are few because this is a very common psychological mechanism and especially whenever religion is concerned!

Human beings are frightened little creatures,cowering under the might of an impossibly huge and incomprehensible universe,cursed with a higher consciousness and intelligence than the creatures he shares his planet with,but not high enough to understand the answers to the great mysteries that surrounds him so he has done the only thing he could do: If not able to find the correct answers,he made some up. Because answers he had to have,and much better to make them up anyway since then they can be whatever he wants them to be. And Behold: God Was Born Unto The World!

Amen.

Pixel Pirate wrote: YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! YES! NO! The level of any debate on religion. Don't even try to point out how ridiculous religion is because anyone with even a smidgen of sympathy for it will simply tune you out,even if you were able to slam incontrovertible proof that god doesn't exist on the table in front of them,they would still deny it. There's no way logic and reason can win against anyone who has decided to wave goodbye to both. Stephen Baxter has written that religious people has signed away half their brain and how can any amount of intelligent,reasoned argument reach someone like that? According to an article in New Scientist, whenever we discuss something with someone who we know have the opposite viewpoint,we automatically tune them out,we hear the words but they don't register. Even before the person has opened his/her mouth,if we know they have the opposite view from us,we have already decided to disagree with everything they say. It doesn't apply to everyone,but exceptions are few because this is a very common psychological mechanism and especially whenever religion is concerned! Human beings are frightened little creatures,cowering under the might of an impossibly huge and incomprehensible universe,cursed with a higher consciousness and intelligence than the creatures he shares his planet with,but not high enough to understand the answers to the great mysteries that surrounds him so he has done the only thing he could do: If not able to find the correct answers,he made some up. Because answers he had to have,and much better to make them up anyway since then they can be whatever he wants them to be. And Behold: God Was Born Unto The World! Amen.

I have seen nothing written by anyone here who could convince me either way.   I think that no matter what your "facts" or "reason" or "logic" it still comes down to a measure of faith in what you trust and what you don't.   That is all I have to say on the whole thing. Gdub, you are the wisest one here to refrain from all of it.