If the Presidential Election was held tomorrow?

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   ^ I don't think the Democratic party has changed that much, what happened in the last primaries was that Sanders was a more likable candidate than Clinton. Sanders seemed to have way more integrity and honesty than Clinton.
When you ask Sanders a question, he tells you what he thinks, when you ask Clinton, she tells you what she thinks you want to hear. It further hurt Clinton when it became obvious that the DNC was trying to rig the primary for her.
The fact that many Democrats forsake Hillary says more about Hillary herself than it does about any major change in the party.

If the primaries had included a likable moderate versus an unlikable leftist, then I think the moderate would have prevailed and won the presidential election. The difference between Clinton and Sanders has some what to do with some shifting in the Democratic party, but it has a lot more to do with Sanders was a much more likable candidate, especially as Clinton's dirty laundry became more exposed as the election progressed. 

Either a moderate or a leftist could beat Trump, the candidate just needs to know how to capture the trust of the voters. About one third of this country are independents, and many of us are not fond of T Rump.

Edited by Easy Money - July 13 2018 at 14:02

Poll Question: If the Presidential Election was tomorrow would Trump be reelected?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Yes-Absolutely!	4	[17.39%]
No-Absolutely!	3	[13.04%]
It's very likely.	7	[30.43%]
It's very unlikely.	3	[13.04%]
I don't know.	6	[26.09%]
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Easy Money Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10618	Post Options Post Reply Quote Easy Money Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2018 at 11:24
	^ I don't think the Democratic party has changed that much, what happened in the last primaries was that Sanders was a more likable candidate than Clinton. Sanders seemed to have way more integrity and honesty than Clinton. When you ask Sanders a question, he tells you what he thinks, when you ask Clinton, she tells you what she thinks you want to hear. It further hurt Clinton when it became obvious that the DNC was trying to rig the primary for her. The fact that many Democrats forsake Hillary says more about Hillary herself than it does about any major change in the party. If the primaries had included a likable moderate versus an unlikable leftist, then I think the moderate would have prevailed and won the presidential election. The difference between Clinton and Sanders has some what to do with some shifting in the Democratic party, but it has a lot more to do with Sanders was a much more likable candidate, especially as Clinton's dirty laundry became more exposed as the election progressed. Either a moderate or a leftist could beat Trump, the candidate just needs to know how to capture the trust of the voters. About one third of this country are independents, and many of us are not fond of T Rump. Edited by Easy Money - July 13 2018 at 14:02

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833	Post Options Post Reply Quote micky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2018 at 15:03
	not changed John. Changing.. right in front of our eyes. People were asleep when Trump came and very few had realized how the Republican Party was changing in the years prior to 2016 and it wasn't until Trump won that showed just how the party had been changing over the years. Oh yes I do believe the Democratic is similarly changing. To me is as obvious as the nose on my face. All one has to do is pay attention to see that while the money is in the center, the real energy and passion are on the far left. Money does not win elections.. ask Hillary.. Jeb Bush or that Crowley guy how well that works when the populist hammer gets dropped on them. Money does not win elections, passion and energy do.. check out that hot Socialist chick in NYC. A centrist corporate Democrat win not beat Trump, for much like Hillary, with no excitement people don't get excited and feel passion for their candidate they don't get out and vote. I do feel there is a realization of that and the far left is quietly starting it's takeover of the Party but few will notice it until a Warren-esqe type not just merely wins the nomination but wins the Presidency just as it had been for the Republican Party right before Trump....
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	^ I agree that you have to excite voters to win an election, that is why Trump beat Clinton and why Sanders was more popular than Clinton, but I think what excites voters can be many different things, and I think a candidate that excites voters and wins their hearts could be a liberal, a conservative or something in between. There are lots of intangible variables that capture the public, its not just the politics that the candidate espouses.

micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833	Post Options Post Reply Quote micky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2018 at 15:31
	I think the way Trump can be beat is being swinging the populist sword back at him. A real populist, who could and surely would make his populist attempts appear pityful. It worked against Clinton, and would against any moderate corporate Democrat. Trump brought fire to his his campaign and campaigned like a street fighter, oh no no gentlemanly stuff there with him. What it will take to beat him IMO is fighting fire with fire. As Scott mentioned earlier, I do think is true. There really isn't a moderate or mainstream corporate Democrat that can both appeal to Trump voters and fight dirty out of real conviction like those of the far left wing of the party. As I alluded to in a post last night. The 2020 Democratic Primaries will likely play out just as the GOP did in 2016. Big crowded field and the winner will likely only have the plurality of the overall vote. The winner (like Trump) will be the one that inspires real passion among the voters. None IMO can touch what Warren can bring to the table. Listening to her inspires my jaded moderate ass to jump the barricades and kick ass and stick it to big business and banks. that message will play VERY well to many who voted for Trump yet were not hard core Repubicans or social nut cases (ie bigots racists and misogynists)
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micky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833	Post Options Post Reply Quote micky Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2018 at 15:34
	and if Trump loses but a percentage of his 2016 support.. he is f**king toast in 2020. Especially if the Democrats put up a candidate that energizes and excites voters. There simply aren't that many racists, bigots, nativists and bible beating whites to turn out that sat out 2016.
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