Trump would most likely win the Primary but the supporters of the Primary Challengers would then either stay home and not vote, vote for the Democrat, or even vote for a Third Party/Independent Candidate.

It's what happened to Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Bush Sr.

They all lost in part because of Primary Challengers like Joseph I. France, Ronald Reagan, Ted Kennedy, and Pat Buchannon.

Considering only 58% of eligible voters went to the polls in 2016, that 43% is not really quantifiable. Many of those who approve of him have trouble counting the few teeth in their heads, let alone actually vote.

Mathematics, my dear, mathematics. If only 58% of the population votes, and of that number only 43% vote for Trump, that's still 57% voting against him. To put it in perspective, Obama got 51.19% of the vote and Romney 47.32% of the vote in 2012. Obama won by 5 million votes.

Unless you plan on resurrecting Ross Perot.

But if a large chunk of that 57% comes from Calif and New York?  We have seen this movie before and not long ago either. What will it take for Democrats to rebuild the Lost Blue Wall in the Midwest, is the question.

It still amazes me that people voted for such an obnoxious person but if the Dems get a decent candidate I think Trump would lose. 

5?? Mention one...... The Bern is super weak, love his passion but he's done. The biggest plus Trump has going for him is he is more a business man than a politician, and international business too. He has more contacts around the world than any previous politician has ever dreamed of having, and vision.....I saw a 20+yr old TV piece of him on Oprah and even then he was saying how the US was being taken advantage of by NATO, it just needs to be fixed.

I'm not sure he will win again if he runs, but right now, today not sure who could beat him. We will see in a couple yrs, but with all the bitchin and moanin going on I would be shocked if he wins a 2nd term.

He was given a large stake by his father to get going and his fathers many connections. I think most of us with half a brain could have parlayed that into more money.

Having said all of that , he is 'bullish' on America which is a good thing, but at the same time he's an obnoxious egotistical person who pisses people off including old friends. He is also catering to the Evangelical and hard right to get support which imho is a bad thing. We don't need that kind of Neanderthal thinking as we move forward into the 21st century.

It seems you need to re-read my post. I never said he has "good relations" with anyone. Simply stated as a business man he has contacts all over the world. Whether they are contacts that like him or not, or if Trump even considers them good relationships, none of us would have a clue.

I think more people will respect a business person for their accomplishments, before they respect a politician for who knows what they do...

Being in business and also international business exposes you to all aspects of the law and also the inner workings of politics in the US as well as other countries. More so than any career politician would hope to be exposed to.

Besides the point, I still struggle to believe he will be elected a 2nd term.....Although, if the Dems keep up their bitchin and moanin, voters could react and call them on it come 2020. Most of the bitchin is with empty calories. Schumer really needs to chill and listen back to what he is saying.

Trump is the Mr. Rogers of dictators.   Which is to say I'd take him over Mussolini, Noriega, or Kim Jong Il -

 demonize so easily may be America comes to it's seances and elects them. 

I think you are not picking up what is going on Scott.  There isn't a viable MODERATE Democrat or independent to oppose him.

Much as the Republican Party shifted hard to the right IMO one has to be blind to not see that the Democratic Party has begun the shift to the left.  One can point to all the obvious results of Trump being elected. 

The death of the mainstream moderate Republican Party is the obvious one.  What may not be so obvious is the rise of the far left as a major player in the Democratic Party.

And one of the real effects of Trump may be destroying the notion that a far left candidate is unelectable.  Given a choice between Trump and ..  let's pick 'Liz Warren out of a hat so I think she''ll run, get the nomination (in a crowded primary field very similar to the Republican 2016 Primary in that if you have the passion of the a part of the party, the rest will split the remaining) and I do think she CAN win and unless Trump starts a war, she'll likely win.  Why?

Was every Trump voter a f**king ignorant racist, bigoted, bible beating southern redneck.  Of course not, it is just that every racist, bigotted intolerant f**k DID vote for him haha. What of those others that voted for him?

Many just wanted a change for the status quo which Hillary represented. One can argue if Trump has given them reason to get their vote again.  A lot IMO will depend on how badly his trade war blows up in his face.

Assume as many do that his list of accomplishments going into 2020 are red meat social issues, a tax break for the rich, and diminishing (if not wrecking completely) the great economy he inherited from Obama.

So if Warren can siphon any significant fraction of those votes, she crushes Trump.  Trump barely won, he needs keep pretty much all that voted for him, and hope the Democrats put a highly unlikeable corporate stooge like Hillary up again. Trump won the election by playing the populist card, even though anyone with a brain knew he didn't give a sh*t about the 'common man'.  Warren though, has made a career standing up for the little guy and against the big corporations.

Look at it rationally.  Trump is pretty much hard capped in the 40's.  Those that love Trump now, loved him then.  I can probably count on 1 hand how many Hillary voters, or those that didn't vote at all that would suddenly..  support him and what he is doing. I've give Trump credit for one thing. He was no phony.  He campaigned as a smug, unintelligent jerk who had no empathy, heart, or experience for the job.  He remained true to that. Credit him for that. But how many do you really think have changed their minds thinking it was unacceptable and unbecoming as a candidate to lead this country but as President. He has been a f**king embarssment to all but his core supporters.

He only wins in 2020 if the Democrats put up another corporate centrist which depresses the enthusiasm and young and left leaning voters.

That is why Warren can win... IMO will win.  She can do what Hillary did not do,  fire up voters, and unlike Trump. She is genuinely a populist who doesn't tell people what they want to hear but has a record of doing so. Why do you think Trump has run so hard at her, he knows .. or more like the few smart people he keeps around him know what I am saying here. Trump will beat a moderate Democrat, he will have big problems with a true left wing populist who can take back a part of the working class that the Democrats lost because of people like Hillary Clinton. Love her and that ass I do, her and the old Clinton strategy had their time, it is new political reality now.  Many are seeing it Scott and yes it is going to leave moderate Democrats as much without a party as the almost now extinct moderate wing of the Republican Party.

As you might have remembered way back in the 2016 political threads. This is nothing new,  Bernie.. Trump.. both parties are moving to the extremes.  The middle will soon find itself with a party until a new one forms.  Given the current course and dead end politics of the Republican Party I suspect we will see the end of the Republican Party in the decades to come, perhaps our lifetimes and out of it's ashes as a 2nd party in this country a more centrist party to combat the more left leaning Democratic Party.

Oh yes I do believe the Democratic is similarly changing.  To me is as obvious as the nose on my face. All one has to do is pay attention to see that while the money is in the center, the real energy and passion are on the far left. Money does not win elections.. ask Hillary.. Jeb Bush or that Crowley guy how well that works when the populist hammer gets dropped on them. Money does not win elections, passion and energy do.. check out that hot Socialist chick in NYC. A centrist corporate Democrat win not beat Trump, for much like Hillary, with no excitement people don't get excited and feel passion for their candidate they don't get out and vote. I do feel there is a realization of that and the far left is quietly starting it's takeover of the Party but few will notice it until a Warren-esqe type not just merely wins the nomination but wins the Presidency

just as it had been for the Republican Party right before Trump....

As Scott mentioned earlier, I do think is true. There really isn't a moderate or mainstream corporate Democrat that can both appeal to Trump voters and fight dirty out of real conviction like those of the far left wing of the party.

As I alluded to in a post last night.  The 2020 Democratic Primaries will likely play out just as the GOP did in 2016. Big crowded field and the winner will likely only have the plurality of the overall vote. The winner (like Trump) will be the one that inspires real passion among the voters.  None IMO can touch what Warren can bring to the table.  Listening to her inspires my jaded moderate ass to jump the barricades and kick ass and stick it to big business and banks.

that message will play VERY well to many who voted for Trump yet were not hard core Repubicans or social nut cases (ie bigots racists and misogynists)

There simply aren't that many racists, bigots, nativists and bible beating whites to turn out that sat out 2016.