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Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:


having watched a bit, I can say there's no such thing as bubblegum prog. 
if people call out prog bands that are easy to listen to as bubblegum, go ahead, whatever...

quite a few negative threads around these days, guess some enjoy that. :(
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

quite a few negative threads around these days, guess some enjoy that. :(
 
Just out of curiosity, are you really a prog nut?  haha ha.....
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Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

quite a few negative threads around these days, guess some enjoy that. :(
 
Just out of curiosity, are you really a prog nut?  haha ha.....

what's a prog nut? 
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Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:

I always thought that bubblegumpop was music like Spice Girls, Nancy Sinatra, The Osmonds, The Monkees, The Archies etc. aimed at teenagers.

In opposition of more intelligent pop like rock, new wave, synthpop etc.

But as the users of this forum are strongly against anything that resembles popmusic (prog is actually popmusic), they like to bash all bands that score hitsingles.

So, Queen, ELP, Manfred Mann's Earthband etc. are all crap and bubblegum.

-You are right....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubblegum_pop
"The genre was predominantly a singles phenomenon rather than an album-oriented one. Acts were typically manufactured in the studio using session musicians, and most bubblegum pop groups were one-hit wonders.[2] Among the best-known acts of bubblegum's golden era are 1910 Fruitgum Company, the Monkees, the Ohio Express and the Archies, an animated group which had the most successful bubblegum song with "Sugar, Sugar", Billboard Magazine's No. 1 single for 1969. Singer Tommy Roe, arguably, had the most bubblegum hits of any artist during this period, notably 1969's "Dizzy"."Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum music or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music with an upbeat sound contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens and teenagers, which may be produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and often using unknown singers. Bubblegum's classic period ran from 1967 to 1972.[1] A second wave of bubblegum began two years later and ran until 1977 when disco took over and punk rock emerged."


-And in no way is Manfred Mann's Earth Band or even ELO for the most part bubblegum imho.....but one could certainly cherry pick songs that might fit into that genre if one played fast and loose with the definition.
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I think it's very snob to call out genres as inferior.
Calling one band better than the other and just bashing whole genres is very childish.

I must admit I quite like this thing called bubblegum-pop. But only to some extend. Same goes for deathmetal and rapmusic. Because too much of a good thing is never good.
All music is created to be enjoyed. So why not enjoy it?

I think in secrecy people who create these negative threads are actually liking these genres and bands but are afraid to admit it, because they want to appear as intellectuals.
There's nothing so ignorant and stupid than bashing bands and genres you supposedly don't like.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:

I always thought that bubblegumpop was music like Spice Girls, Nancy Sinatra, The Osmonds, The Monkees, The Archies etc. aimed at teenagers.

In opposition of more intelligent pop like rock, new wave, synthpop etc.

But as the users of this forum are strongly against anything that resembles popmusic (prog is actually popmusic), they like to bash all bands that score hitsingles.

So, Queen, ELP, Manfred Mann's Earthband etc. are all crap and bubblegum.

-You are right....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubblegum_pop
"The genre was predominantly a singles phenomenon rather than an album-oriented one. Acts were typically manufactured in the studio using session musicians, and most bubblegum pop groups were one-hit wonders.[2] Among the best-known acts of bubblegum's golden era are 1910 Fruitgum Company, the Monkees, the Ohio Express and the Archies, an animated group which had the most successful bubblegum song with "Sugar, Sugar", Billboard Magazine's No. 1 single for 1969. Singer Tommy Roe, arguably, had the most bubblegum hits of any artist during this period, notably 1969's "Dizzy"."Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum music or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music with an upbeat sound contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens and teenagers, which may be produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and often using unknown singers. Bubblegum's classic period ran from 1967 to 1972.[1] A second wave of bubblegum began two years later and ran until 1977 when disco took over and punk rock emerged."


-And in no way is Manfred Mann's Earth Band or even ELO for the most part bubblegum imho.....but one could certainly cherry pick songs that might fit into that genre if one played fast and loose with the definition.

It reads like the same story as Punk, Glamrock and Eurohouse.
Is seems all the 'made-up' genres followed eachother, up until this day.

 But in the days of bubblegum, progrock did not exist yet. I think the greatest counterparts were psychedelic rock and rhythm and blues.
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I'd say none should be qualified as Bubblegum Prog. Not even ELO. I might associate bubblegum with early proto-prog for autobiographical reasons: I used to be hooked on these c. 1966:



(and I associate the logo in the lower right corner with PA somehow).
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Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:

I think in secrecy people who create these negative threads are actually liking these genres and bands but are afraid to admit it, because they want to appear as intellectuals.
There's nothing so ignorant and stupid than bashing bands and genres you supposedly don't like.

Careful you don't hurt yourself coming off that high horse.
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By the way, can anyone point me to any bluegrass bubblegum rap death metal with ukulele and oboe? Anyone?

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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:

I think in secrecy people who create these negative threads are actually liking these genres and bands but are afraid to admit it, because they want to appear as intellectuals.
There's nothing so ignorant and stupid than bashing bands and genres you supposedly don't like.

Careful you don't hurt yourself coming off that high horse.

Yeah. I just fell into my own trap. A part of being a snob is calling other snobs snobs.
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^ Negative thread? I don't sense a single ounce of negativity in the OP. The only negativity emanating from this thread comes from you, sir.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

It would have been neat back in the days of going underneath school desks and among all the gum deposits and dried up boogers I'd find prog.

You haven't lived until you've chewed a piece of ABC gum in 9/8
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Originally posted by Larkstongue41 Larkstongue41 wrote:

^ Negative thread? I don't sense a single ounce of negativity in the OP. The only negativity emanating from this thread comes from you, sir.

You are right.
That's why I shouldn't be on forums in the first place. I always do that.
But it's some sort of addiction, I guess.

Also I turned in my sense of humor a long time ago.


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It's quite alright. I totally get your feeling of frustration towards people bashing artists just for the sake of it but I don't think this thread here is guilty of this. Though I have to admit I have no clue about this "bubblegum" notion.
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My point on Genesis and Rush is that from producing a lot of the cream betwixt 1970 and 1977 (genesis) and 1975 and 1980 (rush) they suddenly produced an inferior synth pop product to attempt to line their pockets with filthy lucre. Very sad indeed. I suppose my standpoint will probably polarize opinion. It's an old chestnut. I know, but I still can't get over the demise of two pivotal prog outfits.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

My point on Genesis and Rush is that from producing a lot of the cream betwixt 1970 and 1977 (genesis) and 1975 and 1980 (rush) they suddenly produced an inferior synth pop product to attempt to line their pockets with filthy lucre. Very sad indeed. I suppose my standpoint will probably polarize opinion. It's an old chestnut. I know, but I still can't get over the demise of two pivotal prog outfits.

As far as Rush is concerned, they should have written Moving Pictures 2 instead of Signals if they wanted to line their pockets. They could have done that. They chose not to. You can say a lot of things about Rush's 80s output but "cash grab" is not one of them. Yeah, the albums did well but if they truly wanted to cash in, they could have gone the Journey/Foreigner/Van Hagar route. They didn't do that.  
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Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?
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The Sweet is labled as the quitisential bubbelgum band
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