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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 05:41
Oh my, Omphalo going full Ivan Melgar here, reliving the old days!
Though Voopy correctly points out that Trump hasn't actually successfully done that much my opinion of him stands; he's a semi-sociopath guided by greed throughout his entire life, dragged into the money-making business buy his dad, since then stumbling through debts while making risky bets on big stock, barely making any real friends, getting a few trophy wives and then the American audiences were ready to give the goofy guy a reality show where he could theatrically be bossy and throw around one-liners. And once in office his completely impractical ideas (you know the ones) get conveniently obstructed and then he gets the mind-blowing, just mind-blowingly genius plan to, 'hey remember when I had to pay less taxes? I had more money then, let's do that now' and stunning everyone with the never seen genius of this plan, scrapping like 25% of taxes of by far the world's biggest economy actually got investers pumping in some new money and companies saving some money, whodefukkathunk?? Just give the man a Nobel prize already.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 06:17
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Because Trump did away with the Obamacare mandate penalty.  I was able to get health insurance from a private company and save $5200.   So when I add my tax savings to health insurance savings my family will have an extra $7000 dollars this year.

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. The Obamacare mandate penalty is a fee you pay when you opt to NOT have health insurance. So you didn't have health insurance (which means you paid nothing for it) and now you do and somehow you saved $5200 when the maximum mandate penalty was $2058??? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 06:24
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I totally understand folks have bad Feelings toward Trump.  Folks may feel Trump is Vulgar.  So be it.

"So be it?" That says volumes about what is WRONG with this country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 07:07
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Because Trump did away with the Obamacare mandate penalty.  I was able to get health insurance from a private company and save $5200.   So when I add my tax savings to health insurance savings my family will have an extra $7000 dollars this year.

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. The Obamacare mandate penalty is a fee you pay when you opt to NOT have health insurance. So you didn't have health insurance (which means you paid nothing for it) and now you do and somehow you saved $5200 when the maximum mandate penalty was $2058??? Confused

You're right progaardvark!Smile   So to avoid the Obamacare mandate penalty, I purchased Obamacare insurance. The difference between the cost of Obamacare insurance my family paid for and the private insurance I pay for now is $5200 dollars.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 08:41
I don't think of him if that helps? He's not my President and I've no interest in going down to London (and getting my phone and wallet nicked!) to protest a, if I may say, a very transient here today gone tomorrow President.
I lost hope on anything interesting happening when Bernie got bought out!
But as for him, he sounds really creepy when he talks softly. But he's your problem.
You're on your own!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 09:17
Oh boy...I can hear David sharpening his axes and swords in the far distance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:22
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Because Trump did away with the Obamacare mandate penalty.  I was able to get health insurance from a private company and save $5200.   So when I add my tax savings to health insurance savings my family will have an extra $7000 dollars this year.

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. The Obamacare mandate penalty is a fee you pay when you opt to NOT have health insurance. So you didn't have health insurance (which means you paid nothing for it) and now you do and somehow you saved $5200 when the maximum mandate penalty was $2058??? Confused

You're right progaardvark!Smile   So to avoid the Obamacare mandate penalty, I purchased Obamacare insurance. The difference between the cost of Obamacare insurance my family paid for and the private insurance I pay for now is $5200 dollars.  

That's mostly because the Republicans have sabotaged Obamacare since Trump came into office. They still haven't replaced it with anything and what they have come up with puts millions off of health care. The ACA would have been a much better law if it had had the public option that was originally supposed to be in the law (i.e., the larger your pool, the better rates you'll get). I guess with the way things are now, the country will have to go through much pain before people open their eyes to the fact that there are other countries with better systems that we can at least model on (single-payer universal, the so-called "Medicare for all" that Sanders is proposing, etc.). I still don't know what the Republicans problem with the ACA was. It was modeled after a similar system that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, so it was originally a Republican idea. In a way, they either must have thought that Romney was a communist (which echoes Republicans responses to Social Security in the 1930s) or they didn't like the idea of a black man running with a Republican idea. In either case, we aren't making any progress in this area.

I'm glad you're getting a better deal, but I'd like to correct part of your statement. There is no such thing as "Obamacare insurance." Health insurance provided on the ACA marketplace is offered by private insurance companies. The mandate NEVER required you to get insurance on the ACA marketplace. You could have shopped around outside if it, which you have just recently done. When the ACA marketplaces began, the rates were better than what was offered outside of it (though you had to be careful about deductibles; the cheaper ones had high deductibles). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 16:57
Hey, bickering, hopelessly-divided-along-partisan-lines Americans (dominating my non-Americans' thread)!

THIS ought to unite you--in laughter at least--for twenty seconds or so:
two-party system futility

^ Tap THAT. ^   

Edited by Peter - January 26 2018 at 16:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 17:51
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I will address one of Dark Elf's concerns.  Why only one?

1.,....I don't have time or desire to disprove every misconception. 
2....... I don't wish make a discussion personal.  I like cordial discussions. 
3..... Once the 4 page memo is released, it will explain itself without my help.  In other words time will tell. We shall see. 

First, as an American I do take it personally, and the time for cordiality is far over. Why? Your blithering buffoon Trump, the narcissistic windbag currently taking up space in the White House, refuses to admit that the Russians did, in fact, work to get him elected. There is no argument or need for diversion in this case. Every intelligence agency in the U.S. concurs. Foreign governments in alliance with the U.S. agree with the assessment. There are no "misconceptions" as you blithely typed. The only question remaining is how much did Trump and his aides welcome and encourage Russian interference, and the question is being answered in the Mueller investigation, currently under attack by Republicans more intent on remaining in power and with Donald Trump himself.

Not only did Trump welcome Russian interference during the election, he still ignores that Russian bots continue to spam social media with pro-Trump rhetoric -- much like you do, comrade. But in the shallow recesses of his empty soul Trump can't bring himself to admit he is a pawn of Putin. Trump referred to Putin as a "great leader", and said "Every time he [Putin] sees me he says 'I didn't do it'. And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he really means it." His words. Sad. Bigly.

You only have one of two choices here: either Trump is a complete and utter imbecile, or his ego is so fragile and his mind is so weak that he can't fathom that his election is a sham. In any case, he has not done anything against the Russians, not raised an alarm, not mentioned Russian attacks at all --- except, of course, to have his lackey Michael Flynn tell the Russians that they would lift the sanctions the Obama administration put on Putin for his KGB attacks before Trump was inaugurated. This also unequivocally happened. This was not a crackpot conspiracy hatched by Faux News. Flynn was caught RED-handed. Trump admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation. Trump said so. That's obstruction of justice. Throw in trying to fire Mueller, and only being stopped because the White House Counsel had the common sense to basically inform Trump that was idiotic and that he would resign rather than fire him. 

Add in the indictments, the guilty pleas, Jeff Sessions faulty Moscow memories, Tiny Trump Jr. and Little Boy Blue Kushner playing at being grown-ups with Russian spies in Trump Tower, and the insane amount of interaction between Trump cronies and the Russian government, Russian oligarchs and the Russian mafia. Here's a list. I am sure there are more:

Michael Flynn
Alex Schnaider
Rex Tillerson
Tevfik Arif
Carter Page
Felix Sater
Paul Manafort
Richard Gates
Wilbur Ross
Erik Prince
JD Gordon
Jeff Sessions
Jared Kushner
Donald Trump Jr
Roger Stone
George Papadopolous
Michael Cohen

Where is your Republican congressmen friends sense of patriotism? No, not the jingoistic, nationalistic and racist facade of patriotism they trot out when people of color wish to immigrate here or when poor black kids need health insurance, but the sense of duty to protect America from a foreign attack that is still happening? Your buddies would rather attack the FBI and the DOJ than protect America from continued Russian interference. Even now, Russian-linked Twitter trolls are trying to muster support for the fraudulent Nunes memo. Why do you think that is? And why do you blankly nod your head and agree with them? Should any American feel pride in knowing they are aiding the Russian's attempt at dividing the country and confusing the already addled and pathetic supporters of Trump?

The time for Republican diversion, obfuscation and outright lying is over. Make no mistake, if I appear hostile, it is because I am. Polite discourse with an enemy of this country is a futile and ultimately self-defeating gesture. Our democracy is in danger, not from some crackpot FBI or DOJ conspiracy, but from Donald Trump and his weak-willed, brown-nosing allies in congress. They all need to be removed. As I stated previously, November can not come too quickly.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 18:32
^ Wow! VERY well said, and just how I'd feel if I was an American.
As it is, I'm almost that angered (and stressed) by the Trump presidency. The stakes for America--and thus, the world--are very, very high.

A traitorous con man and would-be dictator is in the White House. He has hoodwinked many of the undereducated and/or hyper partisan masses. Others are trying to ride him to the top, use him for their own ends, make the best of a bad situation, or chug as much shrimp and champagne as they can before jumping into a lifeboat as the ship goes down. Time to choose a side : party or country, today's wallet or your kids' tomorrow, wrong or right.

Wake up, and smell the corruption.



Edited by Peter - January 26 2018 at 18:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 22:30
I didn't realize how upset Dark Elf and other posters are about Trump.  I would address several of Dark Elf's concerns but I feel nobody on this thread would want me to.  I feel like I've crashed an anti Trump party.  Forgive me if I've offended anyone.   So, I will bow out and let you guys thrash Trump without my dissenting voice.  

Before I go let me say, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary.  I was a Bernie Sanders fan.  I boycotted the 2016 election. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 22:49
It's okay, man. We could agree on other things, and still be friends. Let's turn off the news and have a beer. Life is too short to always dwell on the negative.

Heard any great songs lately?

Edited by Peter - January 26 2018 at 22:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2018 at 23:49
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I didn't realize how upset Dark Elf and other posters are about Trump.  I would address several of Dark Elf's concerns but I feel nobody on this thread would want me to.  I feel like I've crashed an anti Trump party.  Forgive me if I've offended anyone.   So, I will bow out and let you guys thrash Trump without my dissenting voice.  

Before I go let me say, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary.  I was a Bernie Sanders fan.  I boycotted the 2016 election. 

No, I actually do. Like it or not he's our president, and I believe he has done some good things.. lower taxes, higher employment. The democrats don't want to give him credit for ANYTHING. And as far as the election, both sides want to point to the corruption that may have been perpetrated by the other but I don't think either is completely innocent. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 01:14
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Mmmmhhh!!!... I'd tend to think that Boris Johnson is a clown .... I mean Bojo the Clown, right??

No, he's an immensely egotistical, completely unprincipled cynic involved in a relentless campaign to accumulate personal power who just masquerades as a clown.

 
Well Bojo and Donald Duck certainly share the same hairdresser Big smileLOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 03:43
Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I didn't realize how upset Dark Elf and other posters are about Trump.  I would address several of Dark Elf's concerns but I feel nobody on this thread would want me to.  I feel like I've crashed an anti Trump party.  Forgive me if I've offended anyone.   So, I will bow out and let you guys thrash Trump without my dissenting voice.  

Before I go let me say, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary.  I was a Bernie Sanders fan.  I boycotted the 2016 election. 

No, I actually do. Like it or not he's our president, and I believe he has done some good things.. lower taxes, higher employment. The democrats don't want to give him credit for ANYTHING. And as far as the election, both sides want to point to the corruption that may have been perpetrated by the other but I don't think either is completely innocent. 


Yes, please, do stick around, honestly. It's all well and good discussing what he truly did right and what he truly did wrong, that's already more than would you get from just watching CNN or something, sure. I myself just want to take down the ridiculous idea, going around some 'open-minded outsiders' these days that he's secretly pretty smart, which makes me wonder what a tool you have to be to not be seen as such in the relation to your responsibilities as president. And also that his impulsive policy is mostly the opposite of what the US and the world needs right now. Still no personal hate intended of course, he's a funny guy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 03:50
Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

...  Like it or not he's our president, and I believe he has done some good things.. lower taxes, higher employment. 

Then we're talking about a crazy psicho doing all that.......just unbelievable!
And I'm quite curious about Trump concerns with US autonomy. Doesn't America need a good relationship with Europe and Asia? Because Trump's border wall under construction tells everything about his concerns with the ....'other Americas'.

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I'll have Mexico pay for that wall."  .........LOL
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

...  Forgive me if I've offended anyone. 
 
How come you feel that? Would you please throw just one example of a possible offense towards us??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 06:29
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

It's okay, man. We could agree on other things, and still be friends. Let's turn off the news and have a beer. Life is too short to always dwell on the negative.

Heard any great songs lately?

holy sh*t... a real blast from the past...

great to see you back Peter...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

It's okay, man. We could agree on other things, and still be friends. Let's turn off the news and have a beer. Life is too short to always dwell on the negative.

Heard any great songs lately?


holy sh*t... a real blast from the past...

great to see you back Peter...

Thanks, Micky! I hope you are well.

I see you're not here so often these days. So many of the old guard are gone....

Jeez! Just remembered: I dreamt of Tony Riviere last night!
No, no THAT kind of dream! He was going to come to Canada do a visit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:12
doing well fighting the onset of accelerated decrepitude due to job stress and the resulting counter stress measures.. and trying to last the last 3 years till retirement.

Yeah.. the site has been a toilet for some time so I haven't been around much, that coupled with simply not having too much say that hasn't been said a 100 times over the years regarding the same topics and same bands.

Yeah...  I can't say I dream of Tony (Ivan gets my dreams haha) but jesus christ do I miss him.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:21
2.5 more years of teaching stress for me.
Roll on, spring 2020!
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