Hey! Non-Americans!
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Topic: Hey! Non-Americans!
Posted By: Peter
Subject: Hey! Non-Americans!
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 08:24
 ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 08:35
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He is from norwegian point of view, depends if your liberal, conervative or socialist. Hes looked upon as a joke, bafoon and a crazy loudmouth. Some few likes him the gouverment parties are waving their tales curtailing for no reason. He imo is downgrading the position of being commander in chief. Hes made the most powerful position in the world less powerfull, becouse of hes unstable manner. Becouse of Trump US President is not the most powerful position globaly which is a great feat really. -------------  
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 08:35
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We North Koreans think that he's a threat to humanity. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 08:40
Good Internet connection you have there, Kim Jong Steve.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
SteveG wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 08:44
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Hi Peter I think Canada's general impression of him perfectly mirrors the one found here in Denmark. All the well established and well-renown news outlets most oftenly depict him as this crazed racist/misogynist/town fool that for some reason keeps saying all the stuff you're not supposed to say as a person in charge of any country. There is no respect for him besides the fake assumed one that goes along with actually having to meet the psycho in person. I personally feel it's a little overblown tbh. USA is still a very fickle country to rule in that it consists of 50 small countries and who knows how many different cultures. I am not going to start down the endless and frankly insane rabbit hole that is the American form of democracy. Suffice to say it all ends up in one puppet and a lot of masters. Funny thing is that the puppet some times gets to fire the masters which suggests the American political world completely misunderstands Pinocchio. Nahh I know there is power there, but remember how little Obama actually got through the pearly gates? Yep. Old man Donald has to convince the same ilk of people. He is dangerous because of the way he talks and acts. Because most people think he's got his hands on the "button" which then leads to unnecessary fear. Again quite overstated imo but that is what he brings to the table: a supersized black-n-white filter to match any situation. If something is good it entirely exists in the face of evil and should preferably be enveloped in said scary adjectives. ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 09:00
Personally, I totally agree with you. I truly hate that moron. Someone like Trump should have never ever become the US president. (One of numerous topics in which he's doing international harm is his attack against climate work.) I'm certain that a very large majority of Finnish people have negative opinions about Trump. Also media (newspapers, etc.) are critical and have no much positive to say about him.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:08
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Great, candid, thoughtful, and revealing responses--thanks so far, folks! BTW, Matti, my dear wife's people are Finns, and my late, great father in law (and force of nature) was named Matti. Terve! Hauska tavata! Have a piirakka (yum) and some pickled herring (you can have my share)! Kippis!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:13
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He is broadly regarded as a dangerous lunatic here in the UK. He has some fans of course, mostly (not all) those who voted for Brexit. He goes beyond liberal vs conservative into a new realm of very black satirical comedy. Many on the left regarded Reagen as a threat to world peace back in the day, but this goes beyond anything ever seen in western politics. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:24
| Release The Memo! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:27
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as a radical nutcase. ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:40
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:54
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Yep, Sean--that cartoon says it all. I especially like how the globe is about to fall. Nice touch! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:56
| Trump is viewed in Finland quite the same way as you described. |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:56
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Well as an America I can say there are a lot of people here that can't believe he was elected. I still shake my head every time I turn on the new to see what knucklehead thing he did the day before. There are a lot of factors that contributed to this mess but I think one of the main factors is that the middle is dying in America. Being sane , reasonable & moderate have gone out of style & now we are paying the price. I don't normally vote Republican but there were several people running on that side that would have been better choices then Trump. The problem is they weren't as loud and obnoxious as Trump & America chose flash over substance this time around.Hopefully we can do better next time.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:05
| It seems a lot of leftists are jealous of a powerful and dangerous man like him. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:08
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The Memo will make Trump look different. A friend tells me the Memo will be released in 10 minutes. 99 pages proving a cabal. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:10
| ^No, I am not a jealous at all. I am afraid he`s going to destroy this world. Itīs not easy to be a president of any country, but I think there should be a persons with more sense, more will to make piece in this planet, also more understanding to the poor people. |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:15
| Dangerous. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:23
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Im glad John Oliver, Trevor Noah, Steve Colbert, Bill Maher and Seth Mayers works as buffers and filters of whats happens. Colberts interprtation of Trump is very good. Imimpressed by Colberts quick humor this past months, hes really showing hes comedic gifts on full. -------------
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:25
Pretty much what most people think in the UK. A lot of us are rather worried for the stability of the World and its environmental future as well at present. I cannot comment on why Americans voted for him - they had their valid reasons no doubt, and even here in the UK the anti-establishment feelings were a large reason for the Brexit result. However, I don't think he represents the true values and strengths of your country - which is a shame. ------------- Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:27
 ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:33
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It is what it is...... |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:37
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I live in the U.S. and a good number of us think he's a big, overgrown, whining baby, who is mentally unstable, narcissistic, gets a lot of his (mis)information from Fox & Friends and Alex Jones, spends more time watching TV and playing golf than actually doing his job (which might actually be a good thing), and most likely is a traitor. The rest of the country thinks he's the messiah. If things don't turn around in the 2018 elections, then yes, the U.S. may very well be irreparably damaged. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:41
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Contempt, loathing and fear. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:02
Yes, I think any of his Republican opponents would have been better--even (retch!) that hateful fundamentalist weasel Cruz. I especially admired Kasich for his integrity, class, and reasonableness. Unfortunately, it seems that dignity, intelligence, and being informed on major issues are not currently winning traits for a presidential contender. Fear, flag waving populism, big lies and disinformation shouted repeatedly, a persecution complex, undermining of the press, the justice system and other checks on dictatorial power, hate and scapegoating of the "other," plus a good ol' appeal to the pocketbook held the greater allure for too many. Who needs a leader you can respect when a crass mega-rich conman promises to lower your taxes, and keep "them" from taking the low-paying service jobs you don't want? I think the election result reveals a lot about the state of public education (his base seem to hate educated people, and not so much aspire to lift themselves up as drag others down) and basic values in the USA--not to mention the wacky, skewed, and corporately corrupted electoral system! A Trump presidency is sad, surreal and scary. Even ten years ago, when I saw America as being so polarized along party, racial, religious, and regional lines that I predicted civil war in its future, I never would have thought it could get this bad, this fast. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:04
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Really? Donald Trump is bad? Thank you for the insight and for raising a conversation that everyone's been having for a year already. It's nice to read an original thought, one that brings something new to the table and opens the discussion up to new and productive ideas. Oy. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:14
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^ I second your Oy, David. Or is it Oy squared? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:28
That expression puzzles me: isn't EVERYTHING "what it is"? Does it imply that nothing can be done about anything, and "that's just the way it is, now"? (If so, I find that bleakly irresponsible and even lazy--feudalism. slavery, a lack of rights, no votes for women, DDT, etc, were all once part of the long-established status quo, until people who cared and spoke up consigned them to the dustbin of history. But perhaps I'm reading far too much into your post (and just ranting about a ubiquitous, shoulder shrugging expression I dislike). Please feel free to explain further, if you like. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:41
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I know it's not a new topic, so my apologies for that. I am only recently returned to this forum, and Trump and American news have dominated much of my thought since well before the election (I am sadly out of touch with Canadian news, so boring and "normal" by comparison!). Still, many others here seem eager enough to offer their (national) perceptions on the question asked.... If you have had enough of the topic, or see it as pointless repetition with nothing new to offer (much like many topics on a forum, such as "what is Prog" "is this Prog" "who is better" ) then please feel free to tune it out without getting too mad at me for my perceived failings. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 13:14
Is that what we supposed to do here? Be productive? Productive of conversation and even community, perhaps? Or are we trying to change the world? I understand that politics is a dangerous, divisive subject (perhaps I was unwise to raise it), but I don't see any need to sarcastically belittle me--unless, of course, I have offended you personally. If so, please believe I did not mean to, and please accept my apologies. (Unless you are actually Donald Trump.) At a social gathering, I just don't join in conversations I have no interest in. Why not just ignore my thread? (Much gets repeated on forums and new people join in.) I'm not your enemy, am I?  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 13:36
Atavachron's just trying to pick a fight, he loves it dearly, man. ------------- |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 13:51
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Not your enemy, and you're quite right-- but since the title is 'Hey Non-Americans' regarding Trump, what kind of conversation is that supposed to be? What about 'Hey non-Canadians What do You Think of Justin Trudeau: Pretty and Pretty Awesome!', or 'What's This About French vs. English?', or 'Canadian Bacon? Looks Like Ham to Me!' Granted those may be less pressing issues than the US President but honestly I don't see the compelling potential of such a discussion. Give us a little more, like 'How do we Move Forward with Such an Incredible Dope in the White House?' or something. We all know Trump is beyond bad and well into psychotic, and it's our and the rest of the Federal government's job to keep a close eye on him and to thwart him at every turn. Luckily our system is set up for just such an occasion and our founders knew enough not to put too much power in the hands of the Prez. But forgive me, don't let me curtail this cursive subject. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 13:53
No denying that (though in this case it's a bit more). ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 14:58
What is this impending 99-page memo you write of, pray tell? Sounds interesting! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 16:51
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Atavachron, thanks for the evenhanded response, and please feel free to steer this thread in any sort of highbrow, meaty, and productive direction you choose. (Seriously--that would be interesting.) My title wasn't meant to be antagonistic to Americans, but just to catch attention and garner response. I was genuinely curious as to how non-Americans perceive Trump. Since well before the election, my wife has CNN on here (I am sadly out of touch on Canadian news, so your proposed Trudeau and/or bacon and/or maple syrup and/or Rush thread might actual get me up to date on my own country) so I hear Americans talk about Trump every day. No offence. I love much about America, I have cousins and friends there, some of the best people in the world have been or are Americans, and you guys (and your former slaves) invented all the best music. This is a genuinely stressful time though, and not just for Americans. I understand the emotion. Peace out. Peter ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 17:25
It's a FISA judge rebuking FBI and NSA for weaponized FISA Warrant to spy on Presidential campaign. The Memo is dated April of last year but it was declassified a few hours ago. A FISA warrant is for spying on Foreigners and never Americans. The F in FISA stands for Foreign. The "Target" mentioned over and over in the Memo is the Trump Campaign. Apparently the FBI presented fake evidence to FISA court 3 times and was turned down twice by a Judge Contreras before the FBI went before another FISA judge with fake evidence and finally got a secret FISA warrant to spy on Trump's presidential campaign. Although redacted in the memo, the evidence was collected by a company named Fusion GPS. Hillary Clinton thru her lawyer gave Fusion GPS 11 million dollars to come up with dirt on Trump and present it to FISA court. However, Fusion GPS made up fake evidence and gave it to FBI. The Department of Justice is also implicated. It seems the wife of "Bruce Ohr", second in charge of DOJ, worked for Fusion GPS. Because of space and time, I'm barely scraping the surface the entire story. The names are redacted but you can read the dates. Notice the September 2016 dates. Also there is a bigger bombshell memo...A 4 page Memo which will probably be released next week. I have a friend who is close to the situation and from what I hear the 4 page memo is HUGE and will change the political landscape of America for a long time. If what I hear is true then high officials in FBI, NSA and DOJ will be indicted and may go to prison. Start at page 69 and read to end....https://www.scribd.com/document/369818480/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017#fullscreen&from_embed And then there is the evidence implicating a FBI soft coup against President Trump by 2nd in charge of FBI Andrew McCabe, Chief of the Counterespionage Section of FBI Peter Strzok and his FBI mistress Lisa Page. Thousands of text messages clearly implicate the threesome. However, 5 months of text messages are missing. From December 2016 till the very day the Mueller investigation started. I wonder if the IRS will lose 5 months of American's info?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 18:28
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Hmmm.... curiouser and curiouser. Thanks for all the details. I'll stay tuned--I have no choice.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 23:01
| I donīt have no hate or love to US like I donīt have any other countries (not even Finland, I am not a national guy at all). I think itīs not just Trump, the whole world really has gone recent years into bad direction. I really hope it will change soon. |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 00:41
He may be trying to pick a fight but he has a point too. Albeit smarmy, the way I interpreted it (a a dual citizen American/Canadian living in the US) is that it is what the majority (literally) of the people in the US feel, and have felt for the past year. That is too say we do not want him as a President and ever since he first was elected we've been talking about how much damage he is doing. A good place to take this conversation would be to talk about how bad the electoral college is and what we can do to fix it or get a new system. At the very least we need to get rid of this gerrymandering BS. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 00:49
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He may be an unhinged, delusional misogynist, but at least he is the model of physical health and successfully built that wall between the US and Puerto Rico. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 01:11
This comment is almost completely meaningless. It barely warrents a reply, but I'd like to invite you to expand. If you can. I don't think it's jealousy. Regardless of his power the man is transparrently not fit for purpose. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 01:16
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Someone commented on global stability under Trump, but I would point out that the world has been on course for environmental catastrophe and probable world war for some years now. Probably since before GW Bush was in office, but certainly the time line has accelerated since 9/11, and the further expansion of NATO eastward to Russian borders. That's nothing to do with Trump of course, but with the world in such a perilous and unstable state, to have Trump in office overseeing the mess, is frankly terrifying. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 01:38
Considering how few substantial political changes he has actually made (for good or worse) the hatred he gets here and in general is completely out of proportion, and to consider him any more "dangerous" than any other head of state is downright absurd. I guess it's somewhat understandable that around the election a small minority either hoped or feared he would make some really radical changes, but now that he has settled in and shown little signs of "making America great again" there's really no excuse for such delusions. |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 01:45
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Are you kidding me? Even before he was president the man was deplorable and deserved every ounce of... well I'm not going to use the word "hatred" as you said, for I feel that would be stooping to his level, but he definitely does NOT deserve a Planck length of respect. |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 02:39
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What Vompatti says makes sense to me. His childish behaviour shows that, not only for his complete lack of diplomacy and political view, but at first place by his total lack of an in-depht dealing with presidential issues. BTW, Vompatti's signature looks definitely addressed to that 'uneducated child' hahhahah ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 03:03
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At least Vomps gave an independent viewpoint. Rare these days, honest, and not a little brave. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 03:50
hope you noticed the overflooded sh*t-filled diapers too
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 03:53
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Some of the stuff he puts on Twitter is unbelievable. I also liked the mental test he passed in which he had to tell the time and identify a lion. What I'm wondering is - is he really as stupid as he appears to be? (A bit like Boris really).
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 04:09
Depends how you measure stupid. He's run big businesses with varying degrees of success over the years, so he must have something between his ears. That's not automatically a qualification to run a country, of course. I'm inclined to think he's merely a charmless, crass arsehole who doesn't give a sh*t what people think, has no social skills and an enormous fragile ego from a lifetime of getting what he wants. For that reason alone he is unsuitable for the top job. That is self evident IMO. People forget, he was voted into power not by an overwhelming majority of American people, but thanks to the electoral college votes. There was no mass appetite for change as his fanboys would claim; merely a mistrust of Hillary Clinton; for good reason IMO. Had the dems fielded a better candidate they would have won, but such is their vanity and desperation to shoehorn any woman into office to affirm their PC credentials, they blew it, then acted all shocked and hurt afterwards. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 04:18
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^ Wasn't the popular voting 51% for Hillary, 49% for Trump. That's no small minority! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 04:32
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Yeah I don't think the Dems would've won with the best of 'em-- the angry frustrated culturalist xenophobic jingoists won the day. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 05:00
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Stupid is as stupid does I guess. I think there are certain areas where Trump probably is as clever as they get. Then on the other hand there's the 10 year old sociopath that often seems to raise his ugly head on Twitter. I imagine it'd be like hearing Michael Phelps talking about upper torso movements in water and then with the same level of authority explain the mating rituals of the African rhino. ------------- The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 05:08
Ok, I didn't realise it was that tight. The voter turnout was high too, over 58% IIRC. It does seem bizarre, at least to many outsiders, that there would such a cultural shift from one extreme to the other over 8 years. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 05:09
I guess they had the loudest voice. Were the dems too complacent, or you think their record in office was really that bad? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 06:00
Largely agree with Andy, here. Well, he refused to show his tax return for the presidential elections, not only because he never thought he'd actually win (and he didn't in terms of votes, since Hillary had 2M more votes than him), but also because he was 650M in the red. Had that report been public, he probably would've been ousted by super Tuesday or May./June However, some experts on the continent are also changing their opinions about him, saying that he's definitely not stupid... He's averagely intelligent, extremely arrogant but he's totally wreckless (he doesn't care what people think) and keeps fleeing forward (and the US Presidency is a mean of that constant run forward)
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 06:37
Can you please explain how you came to your conclusions noted above with reference to the link to the memorandum from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court? I don't see any references to any of the claims you have made addressed in this document. I'm also curious as to the description given in the left panel: "Description: EXCLUSIVE to Infowars: Secret FISA MEMO" You do realize that Alex Jones is a nut? ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 06:40
Well, that is a conversation for Americans, obviously--no one else can or should make that change happen. That was not the purpose of this thread. (Anyone is free to start such a thread, though.) This thread had one simple purpose: faced with a daily barrage of American voices on the subject from CNN (who don't seek out many opinions from outside) I just wanted to hear from some folks from overseas, and I have convenient access to some smart, thoughtful ones here. US politics has a global impact, so I wanted to get a better sense of how various countries and peoples are responding to the current administration. I got the ball rolling with my strong feelings on it, but diverse opinions are welcome--I'm not here to pick a fight or tell people they are wrong. Thanks for your input! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 06:58
Ah yes--the healthful late-night cheeseburgers and KFC dietary regimen. And them Peurto Ricans are kind of dusky, aren't they, like Mexicans, or even those other Hispanic island dwellers, the commie Cubans? They don't need electricity--they only got it (from us) like, yesterday, and probably waste it for blasting their crazy music when they should be in bed resting for tomorrow's cleaning the beaches for us. Darkness, raw veggies, and melted ice cream build character! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 07:13
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So, Vompatti, attacking the press as "the enemy of the people" (and thus encouraging vigilante attacks upon the real people in the press), attacking the judiciary, attacking the FBI and CIA, stirring up Palestinian rage, pointing the finger of fear and anger at Hispanics as "the other," putting your family in the Whitehouse as if they are royalty, and cozying up to America's biggest enemy and the most powerful dictator in the world are insignificant political changes? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 07:31
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Oh yeah--and fighting scientists and environmentalists while (Democrat) California burns, trying to go back to a glorious coal burning past (missing out on a burgeoning green economy). That's insignificant too, of course. I think he'd make more significant changes if he could, but he has some pretty significant resistance. Note that I attack Trump, not his supporters or victims of his con artist, snake oil populism. Still, I know that to counter another's ideas or chosen leader hits very close to the person himself, so my apologies. I guess that is very hard to avoid, and why politics is seen as a topic unfit for "polite society." I also understand that Americans get very emotional about this subject--they are far more invested in it than the rest of us, America's global impact notwithstanding. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 10:24
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^I agree completely with the way scientists are being treated by this administration. It's terrible. On the flip side, it has motivated some scientists to run for office. The Obama Administration had some good people, but they always ran into the wall of knuckleheads from the Republican Party. There was a day in this country when science policy was based on the best available information and BOTH parties were agreeable with this. That times seems like it was such a long, long time ago. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/22/politics/scientists-run-for-office/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/22/politics/scientists-run-for-office/index.html
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 13:58
No he probably wouldn't have been ousted by June had that happened. That's the real conundrum. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 14:27
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A dangerous clown ------------- 
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 24 2018 at 15:27
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I totally understand folks have bad Feelings toward Trump. Folks may feel Trump is Vulgar. So be it. However economic Facts cast Trump in a different light. Facts suggest Trump is good for American Economy. Almost everyone's Taxes Drop. Trump doubled child tax credits, so that a couple making 60k with 2 children will pay ZERO taxes. The US Stock Market set records for breaking records. The Hispanic unemployment rate is at an All time low. The Black unemployment rate is at a 18 year low. During Trump's first year the National Debt went up 500 Billion Dollars. During Obama's first year the National Debt went up 1700 Billion Dollars. https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 02:35
The devil will be in the detail, and it's not all about taxes and unemployment stats (which are routinely cooked by all governments anyway) In the UK, for example, unempoloyment is at a 30 year low, and yet the wealth gap is wider than ever, wages have stagnated and the cost of living continues to rise. Record numbers of people IN EMPLOYMENT rely on welfare packages to supplement income, or the use of foodbanks to get by, because the jobs created pay peanuts, and are often temporary and/or part time. Actual wealth is still only being generated for a small number of people. That's how it;s been in the US and Europe for a long time now. That's not going to change because of Trump. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 03:01
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^Good point. In fact, a global (let us say) phenomenon that only helps increasing the harmful 'polarizing effect'... ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 04:47
Mmmmhhh!!!... I'd tend to think that Boris Johnson is a clown .... I mean Bojo the Clown, right?? Donald "Duck" Trump is more of an arsehole type.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 06:13
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A lot of those economic numbers are trends that started in the middle of the Obama years. Giving Trump credit for them is wrong or premature at this point. And comparing just their first year of national debt when Obama inherited a mess and Trump inherited a recovering economy is what we call "cherry-picking." Once Trump gets his first budget in place, we'll start seeing where this goes. With less revenue coming in, we all know the Republicans are going to aim for our safety nets to try to balance this. Their past record suggests they'll just balloon the debt (recall Reagan and Bush Jr.) and it will be up to the Dems (yet again) to bring the debt back down. I can understand tax relief for small businesses. I cannot understand it for companies that make billions in profits. A better way to make taxation fair for corporations is to implement a progressive system like it is for individuals. You make a sh*tload of money, you contribute more to the country. You own a business and are just getting by, then you need help. And trickle-down economics is a myth. It was tried by Reagan/Bush, then again by Bush Jr. They made this sound like the "messiah" of economics, but it failed to produce those giant numbers they expected. We had better job growth under Clinton and Obama when the tax rates were higher on rich people. And to top it off, the first time a single party is in control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency and the government shuts down! Republicans are boneheads. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 08:13
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Blacksword said, "The devil will be in the detail, and it's not all about taxes and unemployment stats (which are routinely cooked by all governments anyway) Good point Blacksword! How true. However, I've studied the new Tax reform. My Husband and my Taxes will go down 1800 dollars. Over 80% of Americans taxes will go down. You can crunch the numbers and see it for yourself. However, states with high state income tax like California will not see as huge a drop in taxes as states with low state taxes because you can't write your state taxes off with the new laws. Business taxes drop from 35% to 21%. This includes Mom and Pop business. Already this has caused many companies to give bonuses, raise wages, and hire new employees. ( Of course that would be difficult to prove via "Cause and Effect", however many companies such as AT&T claim that's why they rewarded employees.) Progarchive American members could check to see if their taxes go up or down. That would surely be enlightening. I certainly hope every American Progarchive member sees a drop in income taxes. In my opinion, that would be a good thing. Because Trump did away with the Obamacare mandate penalty. I was able to get health insurance from a private company and save $5200. So when I add my tax savings to health insurance savings my family will have an extra $7000 dollars this year. Another interesting tax reform fact. You can only write off $10,000 dollars in Property taxes. Before tax reform you could write off millions. So, even though millionaires and billionaires tax rates drop, that's at least partially balanced out, if they own millions of dollars in property. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 09:07
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 10:11
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AT&T is full of bullsh*t. http://bgr.com/2017/11/17/att-is-seriously-thirsty-for-trumps-tax-cuts/" rel="nofollow - http://bgr.com/2017/11/17/att-is-seriously-thirsty-for-trumps-tax-cuts/ They could have been creating jobs all along without the tax break. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 10:59
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Another tax reform consequence is Large corporations repatriating tax dollars back to the Untied States and new American jobs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/01/17/apple-pays-38-billion-trump-tax-bill-open-second-hq/1041261001/ Home Depot and Starbucks are two of 250 companies offering bonuses as a result of Trump's tax plan. That's a jump of 525% in two weeks. Wage hikes, increases in retirement plans and even adoption benefits.... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/250-companies-offering-trump-bonuses-up-525/article/2647042 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/home-depot-to-award-hourly-employees-1000-bonus-due-to-tax-reform.html |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 11:09
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That goes both ways. http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/business/toys-r-us-to-close-stores.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/business/toys-r-us-to-close-stores.html ------------- 
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 12:17
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Cé donc ben plate icitte. ------------- |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 16:00
No, he's an immensely egotistical, completely unprincipled cynic involved in a relentless campaign to accumulate personal power who just masquerades as a clown. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 21:47
Methinks heavy is the tinfoil hat that sits upon thy misshapen head. Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, a Donald Trump appointee (let me repeat, a Donald Trump appointee) stated flatly the Department of Justice (run by Trump appointee Jeff Sessions and his Republican assistant Rod Rothstein) are "unaware of any wrongdoing related to the FISA process." As far as Fusion GPS, you are aware the Republicans first funded the dossier work, aren't you? And after many hours of grilling in the House and Senate, the fundamental facts of the dossier seem to have been proven true, and though Republicans tried to hide the interviews with the heads of Fusion (because Republicans prefer to limit truthful information, much like they try to limit voting rights), the testimony was released by Democrats. Based on Steele's information about Russian interference and a second line of the same information from the Australian government, the FBI considered it credible. That's the funny thing about credible information, it can be sourced from more than one point. It can be verified. It doesn't have to be made up and hidden. Oh, and speaking of made up, hidden crap:
Ah yes, the 4 page memo, the mystical, magical memo of right-wing conspiracists wet dreams. Unfortunately, the equation that bests describes this piece of political poo goes as follows: "Nunes is obstructing Nunes from releasing Nunes' memo written by Nunes." Interesting that Nunes refused to release the mystical, magical memo to the Department of Justice (per Trump appointee Stephen Boyd), nor would they release it to FBI Director Christopher Wray, another Trump appointee. In fact, Trump appointee Boyd referred to Nunes refusing to release his mystical, magical memo to the DoJ as "extraordinarily reckless." But then both Boyd and Wray are operating under the Constitution, and not as an obstructing gopher like Trump toady Nunes. You remember Nunes, yes? The guy who made the midnight run to the White House and embarrassingly got caught hiding in the bushes while trying to pass bogus intel fabricated by the White House. The guy who recused himself from the Russia investigation for unethical behavior, who then magically unrecused himself because he is...well, unethical. Humorously, Nunes, the House Trumpette, will not even release the memo to the Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee. Why is that, do you think? Well, there is a reason the memo has not been released. Because it will be revealed to be as fraudulent as Nunes himself. One congressman who reviewed it stated it was written by a person who was "two whiskeys into the bag". On Fox News, Shepard Smith referred to the memo as a "Weapon of Mass Distraction". "Many who have seen the memo say it's misleading, distracting and lacking context," Smith continued.
Oh, would you look at that! No cover-up -- another conspiracy debunked. The texts have been recovered and are available. The personal texts basically show that the two FBI agents think Trump is a complete a****le, an opinion shared by the majority of Americans. At least they didn't put their negative opinions and insults on Twitter like Trump, who has attacked, demeaned and insulted a wide array of people very publicly during his tweeting twaddle. if it's okay for Trump, it's okay for the rest of us, don't you think? In the meantime, while you and your self-serving Republican friends in congress and the White House are obfuscating, hiding, obscuring, leaking, lying, muddying and diverting, there is clear evidence that Russia attacked the U.S. and are continuing to attack America with their bots (I am sure your Facebook page is littered with Russian misinformation, right next to your cute cat videos), and the lack of action against the Russians is telling: Trump fired Comey because of "That Russian thing" (his words, on TV, before a national audience); Trump tried to fire Mueller back in June, but the White House counsel threatened to quit, and Trump backed down; on Air Force One, Trump made up an implausible story about his inbred son's meeting with Russians at Trump Tower (which even Steve Bannon called "treasonous"); Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Papadopolous has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Manafort has been indicted, and so has Gates (who, it is reported, is now negotiating with Mueller and may well be cooperating). Never in my life have I seen politicians cooperating with Russians and ignoring an attack on America by Russians. In Eisenhower's time, these stooges would have gotten the electric chair. I can't imagine Nixon or Reagan ever contemplating such treason. November can't come to soon. They all need to be voted out. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 25 2018 at 23:55
I think you will find that, as with Dubya, the most favourable 'outsider' assessment of Trump will come from India. Strange that it takes dumb Republican Presidents to not favour the much less democratic Pakistan over India but it is what it is. Clinton was very hard on us, Obama was a bit better but also slowed down the momentum that had built up during the Bush years. There is concern over whether Trump will dial down outsourcing but with a rampaging China in the neighbourhood, geopolitics clearly takes precedence. As for whether he's a joke or a bigot or both, etc, you see, since those descriptions could equally be applied to our Prime Minister and to many of our politicians, I would rather not, as much as I dislike Trump. If we cannot vote a better leader ourselves to lead our nation, we have no business ridiculing America.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:14
Well Bojo and Donald Duck certainly share the same hairdresser
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:30
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I will address one of Dark Elf's concerns. Why only one? 1.,....I don't have time or desire to disprove every misconception. 2....... I don't wish make a discussion personal. I like cordial discussions. 3..... Once the 4 page memo is released, it will explain itself without my help. In other words time will tell. We shall see. The FBI- I'm not claiming that high ranking members of the FBI are guilty. However, I believe its important to investigate FBI bias. Its a sad day for America if the FBI is allowed to choose the President and influence an election. America has a right to know. Just as America has a right to know if Trump colluded with Russia. That being said, the most recent development (missing texts found) and provide a bit of background- (Deputy Assistant Director of FBI, 2nd in charge on Counterintelligence) -Peter Strzok and his mistress- FBI agent Lisa Page and the story of the missing text messages. 1. Strzok and Lisa Pages text messages are strewn with pro Hillary and anti Trump references. In 2016, Peter Strzok interviewed Hillary for E-Mail probe and General Flynn Jan, 2017. Because of Strzok's extreme Pro Hillary bias, he should have recused himself from both investigations. He did not. Back in 2016, The Department of Justice and Director https://heavy.com/tag/james-comey" rel="nofollow - James Comey eventually ruled that Clinton was extremely careless in handling her email communications, but recommended that no charges be filed. CNN reported that it was Strzok who edited the description of Clintons actions in Comeys official statement. An unnamed source told the news outlet that Strzok changed the phrase grossly negligent to extremely careless in the statement. Someone who mishandles classified information can be prosecuted under federal law if they were grossly negligent in doing so. Comey drafted an a letter exonerating Hillary from email probe two months before she was even interviewed. Perhaps this is the reason why the DOJ recently reopened the Hillary E-mail probe. 2. The FBI didn't turn over the missing texts. The missing texts messages were recovered by the Justice Department. In a letter sent to congressional committees, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz said his office succeeded in using forensic tools to recover text messages from FBI devices, including text messages between Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page that were sent or received between December 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017. Our effort to recover any additional text messages is ongoing, Horowitz said. We will provide copies of the text messages that we recover from these devices to the Department so that the Departments leadership can take any management action it deems appropriate. The letter is below. As you can see I didn't figure out how to post it without it looking awkward.... https://t.co/KjUByv2Bc2" rel="nofollow - -
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:57
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I saw a brief clip of Piers Morgan's interview with Trump this morning, two things struck me - 1) he kind of apologised for the Britain First retweets, but he still doesn't know who they are. 2) he referred to becoming President as "when this happened" as though it was some kind of accident that he didn't really want/expect to happen.
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 05:41
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Oh my, Omphalo going full Ivan Melgar here, reliving the old days! Though Voopy correctly points out that Trump hasn't actually successfully done that much my opinion of him stands; he's a semi-sociopath guided by greed throughout his entire life, dragged into the money-making business buy his dad, since then stumbling through debts while making risky bets on big stock, barely making any real friends, getting a few trophy wives and then the American audiences were ready to give the goofy guy a reality show where he could theatrically be bossy and throw around one-liners. And once in office his completely impractical ideas (you know the ones) get conveniently obstructed and then he gets the mind-blowing, just mind-blowingly genius plan to, 'hey remember when I had to pay less taxes? I had more money then, let's do that now' and stunning everyone with the never seen genius of this plan, scrapping like 25% of taxes of by far the world's biggest economy actually got investers pumping in some new money and companies saving some money, whodefukkathunk?? Just give the man a Nobel prize already. ------------- 
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 06:17
Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. The Obamacare mandate penalty is a fee you pay when you opt to NOT have health insurance. So you didn't have health insurance (which means you paid nothing for it) and now you do and somehow you saved $5200 when the maximum mandate penalty was $2058???  ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 06:24
"So be it?" That says volumes about what is WRONG with this country. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 07:07
You're right progaardvark!
So to avoid the Obamacare mandate penalty, I purchased Obamacare insurance. The difference between the cost of Obamacare insurance my family paid for and the private insurance I pay for now is $5200 dollars. |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 08:41
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I don't think of him if that helps? He's not my President and I've no interest in going down to London (and getting my phone and wallet nicked!) to protest a, if I may say, a very transient here today gone tomorrow President. I lost hope on anything interesting happening when Bernie got bought out! But as for him, he sounds really creepy when he talks softly. But he's your problem. You're on your own! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 09:17
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 10:22
That's mostly because the Republicans have sabotaged Obamacare since Trump came into office. They still haven't replaced it with anything and what they have come up with puts millions off of health care. The ACA would have been a much better law if it had had the public option that was originally supposed to be in the law (i.e., the larger your pool, the better rates you'll get). I guess with the way things are now, the country will have to go through much pain before people open their eyes to the fact that there are other countries with better systems that we can at least model on (single-payer universal, the so-called "Medicare for all" that Sanders is proposing, etc.). I still don't know what the Republicans problem with the ACA was. It was modeled after a similar system that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, so it was originally a Republican idea. In a way, they either must have thought that Romney was a communist (which echoes Republicans responses to Social Security in the 1930s) or they didn't like the idea of a black man running with a Republican idea. In either case, we aren't making any progress in this area. I'm glad you're getting a better deal, but I'd like to correct part of your statement. There is no such thing as "Obamacare insurance." Health insurance provided on the ACA marketplace is offered by private insurance companies. The mandate NEVER required you to get insurance on the ACA marketplace. You could have shopped around outside if it, which you have just recently done. When the ACA marketplaces began, the rates were better than what was offered outside of it (though you had to be careful about deductibles; the cheaper ones had high deductibles). ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 16:57
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Hey, bickering, hopelessly-divided-along-partisan-lines Americans (dominating my non-Americans' thread)! THIS ought to unite you--in laughter at least--for twenty seconds or so: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIAoFMyk5I" rel="nofollow - two-party system futility ^ Tap THAT. ^ ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 17:51
First, as an American I do take it personally, and the time for cordiality is far over. Why? Your blithering buffoon Trump, the narcissistic windbag currently taking up space in the White House, refuses to admit that the Russians did, in fact, work to get him elected. There is no argument or need for diversion in this case. Every intelligence agency in the U.S. concurs. Foreign governments in alliance with the U.S. agree with the assessment. There are no "misconceptions" as you blithely typed. The only question remaining is how much did Trump and his aides welcome and encourage Russian interference, and the question is being answered in the Mueller investigation, currently under attack by Republicans more intent on remaining in power and with Donald Trump himself. Not only did Trump welcome Russian interference during the election, he still ignores that Russian bots continue to spam social media with pro-Trump rhetoric -- much like you do, comrade. But in the shallow recesses of his empty soul Trump can't bring himself to admit he is a pawn of Putin. Trump referred to Putin as a "great leader", and said "Every time he [Putin] sees me he says 'I didn't do it'. And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he really means it." His words. Sad. Bigly. You only have one of two choices here: either Trump is a complete and utter imbecile, or his ego is so fragile and his mind is so weak that he can't fathom that his election is a sham. In any case, he has not done anything against the Russians, not raised an alarm, not mentioned Russian attacks at all --- except, of course, to have his lackey Michael Flynn tell the Russians that they would lift the sanctions the Obama administration put on Putin for his KGB attacks before Trump was inaugurated. This also unequivocally happened. This was not a crackpot conspiracy hatched by Faux News. Flynn was caught RED-handed. Trump admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation. Trump said so. That's obstruction of justice. Throw in trying to fire Mueller, and only being stopped because the White House Counsel had the common sense to basically inform Trump that was idiotic and that he would resign rather than fire him. Add in the indictments, the guilty pleas, Jeff Sessions faulty Moscow memories, Tiny Trump Jr. and Little Boy Blue Kushner playing at being grown-ups with Russian spies in Trump Tower, and the insane amount of interaction between Trump cronies and the Russian government, Russian oligarchs and the Russian mafia. Here's a list. I am sure there are more: Michael Flynn Alex Schnaider Rex Tillerson Tevfik Arif Carter Page Felix Sater Paul Manafort Richard Gates Wilbur Ross Erik Prince JD Gordon Jeff Sessions Jared Kushner Donald Trump Jr Roger Stone George Papadopolous Michael Cohen Where is your Republican congressmen friends sense of patriotism? No, not the jingoistic, nationalistic and racist facade of patriotism they trot out when people of color wish to immigrate here or when poor black kids need health insurance, but the sense of duty to protect America from a foreign attack that is still happening? Your buddies would rather attack the FBI and the DOJ than protect America from continued Russian interference. Even now, Russian-linked Twitter trolls are trying to muster support for the fraudulent Nunes memo. Why do you think that is? And why do you blankly nod your head and agree with them? Should any American feel pride in knowing they are aiding the Russian's attempt at dividing the country and confusing the already addled and pathetic supporters of Trump? The time for Republican diversion, obfuscation and outright lying is over. Make no mistake, if I appear hostile, it is because I am. Polite discourse with an enemy of this country is a futile and ultimately self-defeating gesture. Our democracy is in danger, not from some crackpot FBI or DOJ conspiracy, but from Donald Trump and his weak-willed, brown-nosing allies in congress. They all need to be removed. As I stated previously, November can not come too quickly. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 18:32
^ Wow!  VERY well said, and just how I'd feel if I was an American.As it is, I'm almost that angered (and stressed) by the Trump presidency. The stakes for America--and thus, the world--are very, very high. A traitorous con man and would-be dictator is in the White House. He has hoodwinked many of the undereducated and/or hyper partisan masses. Others are trying to ride him to the top, use him for their own ends, make the best of a bad situation, or chug as much shrimp and champagne as they can before jumping into a lifeboat as the ship goes down. Time to choose a side : party or country, today's wallet or your kids' tomorrow, wrong or right. Wake up, and smell the corruption.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 22:30
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I didn't realize how upset Dark Elf and other posters are about Trump. I would address several of Dark Elf's concerns but I feel nobody on this thread would want me to. I feel like I've crashed an anti Trump party. Forgive me if I've offended anyone. So, I will bow out and let you guys thrash Trump without my dissenting voice. Before I go let me say, I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary. I was a Bernie Sanders fan. I boycotted the 2016 election.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 22:49
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It's okay, man. We could agree on other things, and still be friends. Let's turn off the news and have a beer. Life is too short to always dwell on the negative. Heard any great songs lately? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 26 2018 at 23:49
No, I actually do. Like it or not he's our president, and I believe he has done some good things.. lower taxes, higher employment. The democrats don't want to give him credit for ANYTHING. And as far as the election, both sides want to point to the corruption that may have been perpetrated by the other but I don't think either is completely innocent. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 01:14
Yeah, we can certainly agree on that ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 03:43
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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 03:50
Then we're talking about a crazy psicho doing all that.......just unbelievable! And I'm quite curious about Trump concerns with US autonomy. Doesn't America need a good relationship with Europe and Asia? Because Trump's border wall under construction tells everything about his concerns with the ....'other Americas'. "I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I'll have Mexico pay for that wall." .........LOL .
How come you feel that? Would you please throw just one example of a possible offense towards us?? . ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 06:29
holy sh*t... a real blast from the past... great to see you back Peter... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:05
Thanks, Micky! I hope you are well.  I see you're not here so often these days. So many of the old guard are gone.... Jeez! Just remembered: I dreamt of Tony Riviere last night! No, no THAT kind of dream! He was going to come to Canada do a visit. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:12
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doing well fighting the onset of accelerated decrepitude due to job stress and the resulting counter stress measures.. and trying to last the last 3 years till retirement. Yeah.. the site has been a toilet for some time so I haven't been around much, that coupled with simply not having too much say that hasn't been said a 100 times over the years regarding the same topics and same bands. Yeah... I can't say I dream of Tony (Ivan gets my dreams haha) but jesus christ do I miss him..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 27 2018 at 07:21
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2.5 more years of teaching stress for me. Roll on, spring 2020! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |