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progaardvark 
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
 Posted: January 24 2018 at 10:24 |
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^I agree completely with the way scientists are being treated by this administration. It's terrible. On the flip side, it has motivated some scientists to run for office. The Obama Administration had some good people, but they always ran into the wall of knuckleheads from the Republican Party. There was a day in this country when science policy was based on the best available information and BOTH parties were agreeable with this. That times seems like it was such a long, long time ago.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65684 |
Posted: January 24 2018 at 13:58 |
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No he probably wouldn't have been ousted by June had that happened. That's the real conundrum. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: January 24 2018 at 14:27 |
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A dangerous clown
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Online Points: 6811 |
Posted: January 24 2018 at 15:27 |
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I totally understand folks have bad Feelings toward Trump. Folks may feel Trump is Vulgar. So be it. However economic Facts cast Trump in a different light. Facts suggest Trump is good for American Economy. Almost everyone's Taxes Drop. Trump doubled child tax credits, so that a couple making 60k with 2 children will pay ZERO taxes. The US Stock Market set records for breaking records. The Hispanic unemployment rate is at an All time low. The Black unemployment rate is at a 18 year low. During Trump's first year the National Debt went up 500 Billion Dollars. During Obama's first year the National Debt went up 1700 Billion Dollars. https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 02:35 |
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The devil will be in the detail, and it's not all about taxes and unemployment stats (which are routinely cooked by all governments anyway) In the UK, for example, unempoloyment is at a 30 year low, and yet the wealth gap is wider than ever, wages have stagnated and the cost of living continues to rise. Record numbers of people IN EMPLOYMENT rely on welfare packages to supplement income, or the use of foodbanks to get by, because the jobs created pay peanuts, and are often temporary and/or part time. Actual wealth is still only being generated for a small number of people. That's how it;s been in the US and Europe for a long time now. That's not going to change because of Trump. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Tillerman88
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Joined: October 31 2015 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 495 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 03:01 |
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^Good point. In fact, a global (let us say) phenomenon that only helps increasing the harmful 'polarizing effect'...
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The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories...
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 04:47 |
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Mmmmhhh!!!... I'd tend to think that Boris Johnson is a clown .... I mean Bojo the Clown, right?? Donald "Duck" Trump is more of an arsehole type.
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 06:13 |
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A lot of those economic numbers are trends that started in the middle of the Obama years. Giving Trump credit for them is wrong or premature at this point. And comparing just their first year of national debt when Obama inherited a mess and Trump inherited a recovering economy is what we call "cherry-picking." Once Trump gets his first budget in place, we'll start seeing where this goes. With less revenue coming in, we all know the Republicans are going to aim for our safety nets to try to balance this. Their past record suggests they'll just balloon the debt (recall Reagan and Bush Jr.) and it will be up to the Dems (yet again) to bring the debt back down.
I can understand tax relief for small businesses. I cannot understand it for companies that make billions in profits. A better way to make taxation fair for corporations is to implement a progressive system like it is for individuals. You make a sh*tload of money, you contribute more to the country. You own a business and are just getting by, then you need help. And trickle-down economics is a myth. It was tried by Reagan/Bush, then again by Bush Jr. They made this sound like the "messiah" of economics, but it failed to produce those giant numbers they expected. We had better job growth under Clinton and Obama when the tax rates were higher on rich people. And to top it off, the first time a single party is in control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency and the government shuts down! Republicans are boneheads. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Online Points: 6811 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 08:13 |
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Blacksword said, "The devil will be in the detail, and it's not all about taxes and unemployment stats (which are routinely cooked by all governments anyway) Good point Blacksword! How true. However, I've studied the new Tax reform. My Husband and my Taxes will go down 1800 dollars. Over 80% of Americans taxes will go down. You can crunch the numbers and see it for yourself. However, states with high state income tax like California will not see as huge a drop in taxes as states with low state taxes because you can't write your state taxes off with the new laws. Business taxes drop from 35% to 21%. This includes Mom and Pop business. Already this has caused many companies to give bonuses, raise wages, and hire new employees. ( Of course that would be difficult to prove via "Cause and Effect", however many companies such as AT&T claim that's why they rewarded employees.) Progarchive American members could check to see if their taxes go up or down. That would surely be enlightening. I certainly hope every American Progarchive member sees a drop in income taxes. In my opinion, that would be a good thing. Because Trump did away with the Obamacare mandate penalty. I was able to get health insurance from a private company and save $5200. So when I add my tax savings to health insurance savings my family will have an extra $7000 dollars this year. Another interesting tax reform fact. You can only write off $10,000 dollars in Property taxes. Before tax reform you could write off millions. So, even though millionaires and billionaires tax rates drop, that's at least partially balanced out, if they own millions of dollars in property. Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 25 2018 at 08:19 |
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Barbu
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Posted: January 25 2018 at 09:07 |
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*yawn*
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 10:11 |
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AT&T is full of bullsh*t.
They could have been creating jobs all along without the tax break.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Online Points: 6811 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 10:59 |
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Another tax reform consequence is Large corporations repatriating tax dollars back to the Untied States and new American jobs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/01/17/apple-pays-38-billion-trump-tax-bill-open-second-hq/1041261001/ Home Depot and Starbucks are two of 250 companies offering bonuses as a result of Trump's tax plan. That's a jump of 525% in two weeks. Wage hikes, increases in retirement plans and even adoption benefits.... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/250-companies-offering-trump-bonuses-up-525/article/2647042 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/home-depot-to-award-hourly-employees-1000-bonus-due-to-tax-reform.html Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 25 2018 at 12:48 |
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rushfan4
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66607 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 11:09 |
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That goes both ways. http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/business/toys-r-us-to-close-stores.html Edited by rushfan4 - January 25 2018 at 11:10 |
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Barbu
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 12:17 |
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Cé donc ben plate icitte.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: January 25 2018 at 16:00 |
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No, he's an immensely egotistical, completely unprincipled cynic involved in a relentless campaign to accumulate personal power who just masquerades as a clown. Edited by Mascodagama - January 25 2018 at 16:00 |
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13232 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 21:47 |
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Methinks heavy is the tinfoil hat that sits upon thy misshapen head. Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, a Donald Trump appointee (let me repeat, a Donald Trump appointee) stated flatly the Department of Justice (run by Trump appointee Jeff Sessions and his Republican assistant Rod Rothstein) are "unaware of any wrongdoing related to the FISA process." As far as Fusion GPS, you are aware the Republicans first funded the dossier work, aren't you? And after many hours of grilling in the House and Senate, the fundamental facts of the dossier seem to have been proven true, and though Republicans tried to hide the interviews with the heads of Fusion (because Republicans prefer to limit truthful information, much like they try to limit voting rights), the testimony was released by Democrats. Based on Steele's information about Russian interference and a second line of the same information from the Australian government, the FBI considered it credible. That's the funny thing about credible information, it can be sourced from more than one point. It can be verified. It doesn't have to be made up and hidden. Oh, and speaking of made up, hidden crap:
Ah yes, the 4 page memo, the mystical, magical memo of right-wing conspiracists wet dreams. Unfortunately, the equation that bests describes this piece of political poo goes as follows: "Nunes is obstructing Nunes from releasing Nunes' memo written by Nunes." Interesting that Nunes refused to release the mystical, magical memo to the Department of Justice (per Trump appointee Stephen Boyd), nor would they release it to FBI Director Christopher Wray, another Trump appointee. In fact, Trump appointee Boyd referred to Nunes refusing to release his mystical, magical memo to the DoJ as "extraordinarily reckless." But then both Boyd and Wray are operating under the Constitution, and not as an obstructing gopher like Trump toady Nunes. You remember Nunes, yes? The guy who made the midnight run to the White House and embarrassingly got caught hiding in the bushes while trying to pass bogus intel fabricated by the White House. The guy who recused himself from the Russia investigation for unethical behavior, who then magically unrecused himself because he is...well, unethical. Humorously, Nunes, the House Trumpette, will not even release the memo to the Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee. Why is that, do you think? Well, there is a reason the memo has not been released. Because it will be revealed to be as fraudulent as Nunes himself. One congressman who reviewed it stated it was written by a person who was "two whiskeys into the bag". On Fox News, Shepard Smith referred to the memo as a "Weapon of Mass Distraction". "Many who have seen the memo say it's misleading, distracting and lacking context," Smith continued.
Oh, would you look at that! No cover-up -- another conspiracy debunked. The texts have been recovered and are available. The personal texts basically show that the two FBI agents think Trump is a complete a****le, an opinion shared by the majority of Americans. At least they didn't put their negative opinions and insults on Twitter like Trump, who has attacked, demeaned and insulted a wide array of people very publicly during his tweeting twaddle. if it's okay for Trump, it's okay for the rest of us, don't you think? In the meantime, while you and your self-serving Republican friends in congress and the White House are obfuscating, hiding, obscuring, leaking, lying, muddying and diverting, there is clear evidence that Russia attacked the U.S. and are continuing to attack America with their bots (I am sure your Facebook page is littered with Russian misinformation, right next to your cute cat videos), and the lack of action against the Russians is telling: Trump fired Comey because of "That Russian thing" (his words, on TV, before a national audience); Trump tried to fire Mueller back in June, but the White House counsel threatened to quit, and Trump backed down; on Air Force One, Trump made up an implausible story about his inbred son's meeting with Russians at Trump Tower (which even Steve Bannon called "treasonous"); Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Papadopolous has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Manafort has been indicted, and so has Gates (who, it is reported, is now negotiating with Mueller and may well be cooperating). Never in my life have I seen politicians cooperating with Russians and ignoring an attack on America by Russians. In Eisenhower's time, these stooges would have gotten the electric chair. I can't imagine Nixon or Reagan ever contemplating such treason. November can't come to soon. They all need to be voted out.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: January 25 2018 at 23:55 |
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I think you will find that, as with Dubya, the most favourable 'outsider' assessment of Trump will come from India. Strange that it takes dumb Republican Presidents to not favour the much less democratic Pakistan over India but it is what it is. Clinton was very hard on us, Obama was a bit better but also slowed down the momentum that had built up during the Bush years. There is concern over whether Trump will dial down outsourcing but with a rampaging China in the neighbourhood, geopolitics clearly takes precedence. As for whether he's a joke or a bigot or both, etc, you see, since those descriptions could equally be applied to our Prime Minister and to many of our politicians, I would rather not, as much as I dislike Trump. If we cannot vote a better leader ourselves to lead our nation, we have no business ridiculing America.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:14 |
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Well Bojo and Donald Duck certainly share the same hairdresser
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:30 |
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I will address one of Dark Elf's concerns. Why only one? 1.,....I don't have time or desire to disprove every misconception. 2....... I don't wish make a discussion personal. I like cordial discussions. 3..... Once the 4 page memo is released, it will explain itself without my help. In other words time will tell. We shall see. The FBI- I'm not claiming that high ranking members of the FBI are guilty. However, I believe its important to investigate FBI bias. Its a sad day for America if the FBI is allowed to choose the President and influence an election. America has a right to know. Just as America has a right to know if Trump colluded with Russia. That being said, the most recent development (missing texts found) and provide a bit of background- (Deputy Assistant Director of FBI, 2nd in charge on Counterintelligence) -Peter Strzok and his mistress- FBI agent Lisa Page and the story of the missing text messages. 1. Strzok and Lisa Pages text messages are strewn with pro Hillary and anti Trump references. In 2016, Peter Strzok interviewed Hillary for E-Mail probe and General Flynn Jan, 2017. Because of Strzok's extreme Pro Hillary bias, he should have recused himself from both investigations. He did not. Back in 2016, The Department of Justice and Director James Comey eventually ruled that Clinton was “extremely careless” in handling her email communications, but recommended that no charges be filed. CNN reported that it was Strzok who edited the description of Clinton’s actions in Comey’s official statement. An unnamed source told the news outlet that Strzok changed the phrase “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in the statement. Someone who mishandles classified information can be prosecuted under federal law if they were “grossly negligent” in doing so. Comey drafted an a letter exonerating Hillary from email probe two months before she was even interviewed. Perhaps this is the reason why the DOJ recently reopened the Hillary E-mail probe. 2. The FBI didn't turn over the missing texts. The missing texts messages were recovered by the Justice Department. In a letter sent to congressional committees, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz said his office “succeeded in using forensic tools to recover text messages from FBI devices, including text messages between Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page that were sent or received between December 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.” “Our effort to recover any additional text messages is ongoing,” Horowitz said. “We will provide copies of the text messages that we recover from these devices to the Department so that the Department’s leadership can take any management action it deems appropriate.” The letter is below. As you can see I didn't figure out how to post it without it looking awkward.... Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 26 2018 at 04:44 |
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chopper
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Posted: January 26 2018 at 03:57 |
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I saw a brief clip of Piers Morgan's interview with Trump this morning, two things struck me -
1) he kind of apologised for the Britain First retweets, but he still doesn't know who they are. 2) he referred to becoming President as "when this happened" as though it was some kind of accident that he didn't really want/expect to happen.
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