Zeppelin and the Occult

Rob The Plant wrote: seriously Reed Lover. Pretty quick to judge man. I don't see how you can simply dismiss all this evidence as nothing. You may disagree, but it's certainly quite a coincidence to have such an elaborate message work, and in the most abstract part of the song, perhaps a necessary adjustment?

Quick to judge?

Do you think you are the first person to discover this "phenomena"?
We are not talking recent news, you know.Try 20 odd years and counting!

Change your nom-de-plume to Rob The Plank?

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[QUOTE=Reed Lover]

Yes, it makes me think that you are stupid.

Why is it that a miraculous but malevolent entity can insinuate itsself into Led Zep songs but cant even come up with a coherent sentence?

For crying out loud!

Read this:

So here's to my sweet Satan, no other made a path.For it makes me sad, whose power is satan.666.

So this sophisticated entity came up with that crap. To what end?

To confuse and scare idiots like MDF and Rob The Plant (Wood and vegetable-kind of figures!)

Grow up!

This is not my invention reed. Musicologists and many others have studied this phenomenon. But since your dishing out insults, what kind of education do you have genius?

Michael

 

[QUOTE=Rob The Plant]I've been playing around with this for days. I lack sleep and my internal clock is so messed up it feels like it's 2:00 in the afternoon, but it's 5:00am! I wish I could figure this out and go back to sleep. Everything is scaring me! I jsut sung the song myself and reversed it, and it came out clear, so that seems to back up the idea that it may be somewhat of a concrete intentional message.

I've listened to the song several times today, watched it sung on DVD, and everytime I just get more frustrated and frightened. One thing I have decided is that we have to look at more than jsut the message, but the meaning of the entire song, however there are many possibilities. There are  a lot of references to it being important to be immortalized, as opposed to continuing life. "Our Shadows taller than our souls"/ "to be a rock and not to roll". These stick out in my mind.

The Lyrics to this song are th eonly ones appearing in any Zeppelin albums, so they are obviously seen as important. maybe this helps, I'm sorry if I don't make any sense, which I probably don't, but I can't think anymore. Oh, and Merry Christmas.
Rob,

No your not crazy at all, and there is something to this. Most people dismiss backmasking as either a trick, or coincedence or a gimmick. This ignores any logical conclusions because its practically impossible for a human to do this.

As to your question about the lyrics, I can give you some info on the intended forward meaning from a Biblical perspective. I am not a theologian, but have studied the Bible quite a bit. I am a literary scholar (trying to be anyway) and am pursuing my PhD at them moment.

Probably the most imporatant statement in the song is "there is still time to change the road your on." which of course is not a biblical concept, espescially when you consider the phrase

Yes there are two paths you can go by
but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

This is a kind of hedionistic concept that is about as anti- Biblical as anything you will ever find. I personaly have had 4 friends die at age 17, 18, 24 and 30. And non of them had time to change their "path."

What is so amazing to me about this backwards masking is that their is a frontwards dialog that is answered by a backwards reply. For example "ohh it makes me wonder" becomes "there's no escaping it."

this was taken from the site:

http://www2.memlane.com/jmilner/2004_06_01_archive.htm#10869 6941534216362

What is written is not excactly what I heard to the right is waht I have always thought was said, but both are similar.

So here's to my Sweet Satan. ---- same
The other's little path        No other made a path
Would make me sad,        For it makes me sad
Whose power is faith.      Whose power is satan.
He'll give those with him 666.     all I heard was the 666
And all the evil fools,      I never heard any of the other 3 lines.
they know he made
us suffer sadly.

THis is an intersting interpretation though.

Another one bites the dust is another example. The chorus says  either
"its fun to smoke marijuana or start to smoke marajuana" i personally heard "start"

This stuff makes you think....

Michael

Just watching the Led Zep DVD.

I saw them at Knebworth. Jimmy page is awesome, no other word comes close.

You need a hobby.

If you are going slam me for spelling at least give your own thoughts on the matter and don't plagiarize.

There is no need for you to take it personally. I wasn't "slamming" you. It's just that the surname Levay is much more common than LaVey, hence the common (unintentional) misspelling. It's not just you. And was I really plagiarizing? I typed that entire paragraph from memory -- I didn't open a second window with IE or anything.

Whether you claim to be on or not really isn't the issue. But the thoughts of Peart in particular are very self natured, and preditory,(at least some of it is) which is in line with what LaVey wrote and believed. Many members are involved in the Libertarian party as is Peart (though I don't think that makes you a Satanist).

The lyrics that Peart initially wrote for Rush were edgier, in line with the rebellious nature of a young man bitter from a (failed) endeavor to make it on his own (which he tried to do, in London, before returning to Canada and taking a position in his father's business). At the time, Rush had gotten some exposure thanks to "Working Man," but the band wasn't in it yet for the long run. It would take the success of 2112 to truly cement the boys' future in music. If 2112  hadn't gone gold, Rush would've been dropped from the label. So things were still somewhat iffy for the band, and Neil. They weren't stars -- yet!

I'll buy that. Important to note though that his daughter moved to another Church of Satan (temple of Set) so in my book she is suspect as well.

I didn't say she became a Christian. She simply turned on her pop because she got sick & tired of the ol' bastard.

Also I have heard one from Rush during a live (that's right a live) production. The song was Anthem, which is based on Ann Rands work and forwards is pretty much the esccence of what satanism is all about. Guess what books Anton LeVay based the Satanic Bible- Ann Rand and "Might is Right."  Coincendence? you be the judge.

Anton LaVey (as it's correctly spelled) was a complete fraud of a human being. If you do a little research on him (not his so-called "religion," I mean him), you'll know that he plagariazed chunks of text from Might Is Right and Ayn Rand's Anthem because he was under deadline pressure to deliver his book to the publisher -- at the time, the publisher wanted to cash in on the "occult" craze sweeping metropolitan areas of the country, namely San Franciso, Los Angeles and New York. That's all it was about. Money. Yes, it's true about Sammy Davis, Jr. -- he was invited to join the so-called Church Of Satan, and did (eventually) return the paperwork and was given an honorary membership. But I chalk up activity such as this due to fads and liberal widespread use of drugs and alcohol, and boredom.

Oh: Rush never employed backwards-masking. Geddy, Neil and Alex were never into the occult. If anything, they're agnostics and atheists. You can't be really be one and claim belief in the supernatural. And it's well-documented that LaVey was a real jerk of a guy, who inflicted violence on people and animals alike. Apparently he was trying to compensate for something. Members of his family, notably his oldest daughter, denounced him and exposed him (he was never wealthy and lived a lot on handouts in his latter years).

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thanks Maani,
Just trying to go with the facts and the cover
up. Maybe not a mainstream issue!

You can boot me off anytime!

Edited by DallasBryan

Devil buddy
Ask any scientist, the odds of a person singing
something backwards and forward is astronomical.
The fact that the messages are satanic are even
more remote.

The original question was about Led Zeppelins
Stairway to Heaven. Which I have no opionion on. I
strickly commented on the fact that in the early
stages of digital processing rock groups found
interest in using this new capacity to promote their
religious/ritualistic beliefs on the audience that there
media was being consumed by.
Today that is not a necessity due to the availability of
your BRAIN ON PC.
I wrote it is not a problem to backmask using digital
processing, you interpreted it as it is not a problem
to backmask and it make sense forward and
backwards.

As for 70s situations, Led Zep, Iron Butterfly, Beatles
we are talking about psychic phenomenum, or
spirtual
intravention or ghosts in the machine, not scientific
intellectual masturbation. 1x1 makes 3 on the
witches multipication table, these things dont
calculate, no one tells you these things, you have to
be there! YOUR BRAIN CANT CALCULATE!!!

Its all about the wavelenght, man!
In games without frontiers, war without tears.



Edited by DallasBryan

[QUOTE=DallasBryan]devils buddy
" I'll be waiting for you to come up with anything that
makes sense frontwards and backwards"

I'll be waiting for you to let me out of these chains
before you cast me into that eternal fire"
High on a hill in Eldorado!

guess we were just talking about backward masking
used in the industry and where it appeared.

guess you saw it as a fowards backwards issue,
which way are you going?

neutral?

You don't make any sense, no offense.

You said that it was an easy task with modern equipment to make something make sense forward and backwards. All I said is that if it is so easy then do it.

Michael (New Jersey Devils fan)