In the Wake of Poseidon: Underrated?

ItWoP has always seemed a bit more consistent and listenable over the debut. Side 1 is especially strong (first 4 tracks). Both have their weaker tracks, IMHO (the drum noodling in Moonchild, the weirdness of The Devil's Triangle).

Edited by Boojieboy - July 08 2017 at 20:45

Under-rated is obviously related to its older brother ITOTCK


First, ITWOP is a very strange album, and not really a Fripp album (neither was ITCOTCK) as Fripp didn't write any of the original tracks, except for the Peace thingies (where Sinfield can be cànsidered a totally equal songwriter partner) and some arrangements and guitar parts on the debut's t/t, which landed him a writing credits.

The A-side of Poseidon is very strangely similar to Court's A-side

Schizoid = Pictures
Wind = Cadence
Poseidon = Epitath or Court (pick either)

Not that it's bad (I'm not saying that they're total clones, but the repitition cannot be anything but intentional ) but nothing new under the sun (unlike the debut, which was a total revolution in music)

On the flipside , outside the Peace thingies, Cat Food is a Lake/McD composition, and TBH, the only really new thing on the album compared to the debut album. And it is so because of Tippett's piano, that it sounds so different.
As for the Holtz Devil's Triangle, it's a rearrangement of a classical thing, and can be considered a cover....


Sooooooooooooo, what's new on Poseidon? Cat Food (5 mins) and those Peace thingies (which I can personally do without), which add up to 4 mins.

Isn't that a little few to be considered as good as Lizard or Court?

Actually, come to think of it, Poseidon might actually be over-rated by most progheads

Who is the collective entity that rates things? Against what is it rated? Why don't people just listen to music anymore rather than  worrying about how it "rates". Who the f**k cares how something "rates". Doesn't anybody have a mind of their own ? Every KC album is different in some essential way. The first album they had with the same previous lineup was Beat and that was different from the previous one and so on.

I sometimes go back and forth between preferring the original line up(and the one that did this one)and the Bruford Wetton line up. I think I prefer both equally. In some ways this line up is more under rated. I think they got really weird after Poseidon although there is some very weird stuff on here too(well Devils Triangle is anyway).

Kepler62 wrote: Who is the collective entity that rates things? Against what is it rated? Why don't people just listen to music anymore rather than  worrying about how it "rates". Who the f**k cares how something "rates". Doesn't anybody have a mind of their own ? Every KC album is different in some essential way. The first album they had with the same previous lineup was Beat and that was different from the previous one and so on.

But if we wer not to rate the music we like (or don't like), and discuss about it and which ones we like better, then what's the point of being in the forum. The fact that we discuss such things doesn't mean that we don't have a mind of our own, but that we want to express it and read what others think about the same things.

Barbu wrote: It's crap compared to the début...read that somewhere, must be true.

 rof!

dr prog wrote: What kind of progger doesn't like cadence and pictures. A stupid one lol

I think you should take care at who you call stupid. Which should be at nobody at all. But not likind Pictures and Cadence doesn't make me stupid, it just means my tastes are different. I Talk to the Wind isn't among my favourites from the previous one either, but I find Cadence evern more dull, specially because of the notably weaker vocals. And Pictures just sounds noisy, while I do find Schizoid Man much more enjoyable. I won't insult you for liking them, you just have a different taste.

Averages out to mediocre... about half very good to excellent, half essentially unlistenable (including the rubbish "Cat Food" -- I don't know what people see in this.)

To me it sounds like leftover tracks from the previous album's sessions. I like it a lot but it lacks that something special that makes it have its own identity unlike "Court" "Lizard" "Red" and pretty much everything that followed. For me it's the weakest of the early albums but still pretty good and a must have in my collection. To be fair it has grown on me more as i've listened to it but there are too many riffs that are recycled from "Court"

I've been listening to a lot of KC over the last week, revisiting everything from Lizard to Beat. I don't think they ever recorded a bad album. Some are better tha others obviously, but they don't have an "Invisible Touch" in their catalogue, or a "Union" or "Love Beach" for that matter.

They are consistently good. The trio of 80's albums are possibly their worst, and even they score three stars each IMO.