SteveG wrote: EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote: I guess my Question is did Jesus exist as an actual person........... I don't think that historical evidence supports his existance and that he is most likely a combination of ancient myths coobled togther by the early Christian writers during the birth of Christianity. I mean if someone was bring people back from the dead etc, I think the Romans might have noticed..... for example and yet there is no historical record of Jesus in Roman texts and the Romans where very religious (lol) in theor record keeping.  Jesus' existence is collaborated outside of the Bible by the Roman historians Josephus and Suetonius, who they regarded as seditious and and his followers as "atheists" because they refused to worship the Roman emperors as gods. He did not go unnoticed.

EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote: SteveG wrote: EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote: I guess my Question is did Jesus exist as an actual person........... I don't think that historical evidence supports his existance and that he is most likely a combination of ancient myths coobled togther by the early Christian writers during the birth of Christianity. I mean if someone was bring people back from the dead etc, I think the Romans might have noticed..... for example and yet there is no historical record of Jesus in Roman texts and the Romans where very religious (lol) in theor record keeping.  Jesus' existence is collaborated outside of the Bible by the Roman historians Josephus and Suetonius, who they regarded as seditious and and his followers as "atheists" because they refused to worship the Roman emperors as gods. He did not go unnoticed. The Passion is a typical Pagan god story of that time, Mark's account of the Jesus ministry is basically using the writing of Josephus' account of Titus Flavian in the Middle East and Palestine, and then Matthew and Luke bring in more typical Pagan god story to flesh out the nativity and try to keep the Messianic Jews happy. But the Jews never bought it.

Exactly what Pagan god story?  Isis raising her husband Osiris from the dead is the only one that comes close. Many pagan cult initiations required a form of baptism such as the Cult of Mithras. It's easy to view these stories as related, but they are not and have no bearing on the question of Jesus of Nazareth having actually existed.  

Edited by SteveG - January 19 2017 at 14:53

EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote: ^ Of course Alien, we all know Aliens are real.................

I would be surprised if there were no aliens, illegal or otherwise, but as for fabulous aliens (i.e aliens with no basis in reality; mythical)... Like with the fabulous adventures of Jesus, I'm less likely to believe in those than believe in some pretty ordinary guy who may or may not have been named Jesus but developed a sort-of following of near biblical proportions. Alien vs. Predator vs. Jesus might make for a decent film. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Jesus - Mathew 10:34).

That Jesus ascended into the heavens to be on a spaceship is not that uncommon an idea (maybe a tractor beam). And many think that Mohammed ascended into heaven on a winged horse, but could it not have been a Trojan rocketship?

Edited by Logan - January 19 2017 at 15:21

Lets just not mention Scientology ever again- that only for Hoolywood actors 

The Xenu/ Vader Alliance. And Scientology is fascinating, not just because it's the world's most litigious religion.

If I were to create a Science Fiction religion based on a novel, I'd go with Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, and I'd call it The School of Grok.

If Jesus wasn't real, all those exclamations like "Jesus Christ, what I have just done?!" would sound slightly empty. 

Logan wrote: I would be surprised if there were no aliens, illegal or otherwise, but as for fabulous aliens (i.e aliens with no basis in reality; mythical)... Like with the fabulous adventures of Jesus, I'm less likely to believe in those than believe in some pretty ordinary guy who may or may not have been named Jesus but developed a sort-of following of near biblical proportions. Alien vs. Predator vs. Jesus might make for a decent film. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Jesus - Mathew 10:34). That Jesus ascended into the heavens to be on a spaceship is not that uncommon an idea (maybe a tractor beam). And many think that Mohammed ascended into heaven on a winged horse, but could it not have been a Trojan rocketship?

Edited by Thatfabulousalien - January 19 2017 at 15:48

Did Heracles exist, Achilles, Homer, or Hesiod, hard to tell,  Was Sokrates a litterary figure made upp by Platon. some are myth, some are conjured people others might be a collective of individuals, others are just a joke, but things from this far back, is all really hard to know the hard earned source or facts, as first hand witnesses and first degree sources  are  hard to come by.

I think, therefore i am - i live therefore i also will die,