Smokers in Australia to pay $45 per pack by 2020

I think most smokers understand that sh*t and respect it...  what was it .. 2 or 3 years ago when Virginia finally banned smoking in bars.  Really wasn't much of any complaint from us. So cigarette breaks outside became as much a part of the bar experience as getting ones ass out of your stool to make trips to the john. 

Most of those young ladies didn't smoke, and likely wasn't fair or even particularly healthy for them to breath in our damn 2nd hand smoke. Good law

not that bit of empathy stopped us from smoking in bars in the first place..

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill into law today that raised the smoking age from 18 to 21.

gr8dane wrote: There is always contraband.

sadly that's what a lot of smokers resort too... Contraband ciggies from Poland or more eastern origins, or biuying reserves in a country where it's not nearly as expensive (Right now, Brits are emptying Belgian stores on the shoreline before going back home)

emigre80 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad.   actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking.  And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.

Well, I'l not so sure that first hand smoke is less harmfull to by-standers, because there is also the smoke from the tip of the ciggie when not dragging a puff >> that's pure unregultaed combustion fumes.

micky wrote: I think most smokers understand that sh*t and respect it...  what was it .. 2 or 3 years ago when Virginia finally banned smoking in bars.  Really wasn't much of any complaint from us. So cigarette breaks outside became as much a part of the bar experience as getting ones ass out of your stool to make trips to the john.  Most of those young ladies didn't smoke, and likely wasn't fair or even particularly healthy for them to breath in our damn 2nd hand smoke. Good law not that bit of empathy stopped us from smoking in bars in the first place..

Not smoking in bars is a big benefit, but it comes way too late for me, as I don't frequent them nearly as much as I used to... Sure in jazz/music clubs and restaurants, it helps a fair bit

actually, in Continental Europe, I see girls smoke way more than the men their age... and back in the 70's & 80's, I seem to remember that women were just as smokers as men were


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while I definitely suffered from "wild" unregulated tabagism around me for decades, but nowadays that things are much better, I can't help but thinking that smokers are being outcasted (somewhat unfairly) in present days, beit at work or in leisure time

and asking them to go smoke outside is hardly a solution, because non-smokers are still on the streets and go through the bar/restaurant entrances


 





Edited by Sean Trane - May 05 2016 at 04:31

Personally, I could not go back to the times when you could smoke in pubs - permanent fug, clothes/hair smelling like an ashtray when you got home....

Ironically, given the EU laws which banned smoking in the UK came from Brussells, when I visited there, I found over half the bars there allowed smoking & I was even looked at oddly when I went outside for one

Edited by Jim Garten - May 05 2016 at 07:12