Smokers in Australia to pay $45 per pack by 2020
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Topic: Smokers in Australia to pay $45 per pack by 2020
Posted By: Blacksword
Subject: Smokers in Australia to pay $45 per pack by 2020
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 06:54
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Wow! That's around £22 for 20 ciggies... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/03/smokers-to-pay-more-than-45-for-a-packet-of-cigarettes-from-2020?CMP=fb_gu" rel="nofollow - Sin tax or reasonable policy..? Should such increases be applied in the UK and beyond and should enormous tax increases also apply to booze and unhealthy food to force people into better health? Is it a basic right to be unhealthy, even if the public has to pay for your medical treatment? Would huge tax hikes simply help the black market get a foothold? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 06:59
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but what about base jumping, mountain climbing and scubadiving -------------  
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 07:10
Predominantly middle class pursuits....whereas smoking is a paupers habit these days Maybe that's why..  Mind you I think smoking kills more people than scubadiving, mountain climbing, base jumping combined... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Icarium wrote:Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 11:01
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Beware the era of big liberal government. Coming to a society near you......soon...... ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 11:24
| Beware smoking, leads to an early grave |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 11:25
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f**k Australia. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 11:33
| ^ thread ending comment |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 13:13
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There is always contraband. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 13:24
Don't delete my thread! It's only just been born. Give it a chance..  Just delete his nasty comment. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 14:30
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^ that was my take on it too |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 16:00
bring it on..  .tax the f**k out of them... someone has to pay for us wrecking our health's.... why not have us pay as we go!  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 16:55
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I don't have a problem with someone killing themselves by smoking; it's their choice... but sadly second hand smoke is just as bad. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 07:15
Even though governments say they want people to give up smoking, the loss of tax revenue if everyone did so would cripple the NHS; smoking revenue benefits the NHS more than we cost same for smoking related diseases. ------------- 
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 07:20
actually, it's not as bad as first hand smoking. And this is one issue that's easily solved - smoking has been banned in almost all public places in many countries.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 12:02
Uh....you just said it is as bad by saying it's banned in public places....that's second hand smoke.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 12:16
I was saying it's not as deadly as smoking first-hand, but people who smoke make that choice. Smoking in public places is banned so that people who do not choose to smoke can avoid even second-hand smoke. That does not mean that it is the same as smoking.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 12:59
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In my opinion it's unfair that people who smoke aren't allowed to smoke in public places but people who do not smoke are free to not smoke anywhere. If instead we made smoking mandatory in public places it would be equal for everyone. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 13:02
| ^pretzel logic |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 13:29
I would take this up with your local elected representative. Kentucky actually has a law that you cannot discriminate against smokers, as long as they follow all applicable ordinances. You cannot fire someone because he/she smokes.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 15:03
I agree that it should not be allowed in 'public places', but my point was that I don't care if someone smokes in private or out of doors in open spaces where it won't affect others. We have so much pollution now from industry and cars that you're more likely to be affected from that. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 15:56
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I think most smokers understand that sh*t and respect it... what was it .. 2 or 3 years ago when Virginia finally banned smoking in bars. Really wasn't much of any complaint from us. So cigarette breaks outside became as much a part of the bar experience as getting ones ass out of your stool to make trips to the john. Most of those young ladies didn't smoke, and likely wasn't fair or even particularly healthy for them to breath in our damn 2nd hand smoke. Good law not that bit of empathy stopped us from smoking in bars in the first place.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 20:27
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In the immortal words of John Wayne, "Anyone can quit smoking, it takes a real man to face lung cancer." If cigarettes are going up to $45 a pack, I'm buying some grow lights, a humidifier and enough aluminum foil to cover the walls and ceiling of my attic. An ounce of tobacco is going to cost more than an ounce of pot! ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 23:25
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California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill into law today that raised the smoking age from 18 to 21. The law also restricts the use of electronic cigarettes in public places. He vetoed a bill to allow counties to vote on a tobacco tax to offset the cost of smoking related healthcare.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 23:52
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Pretty insane but hey, the cost (which is pretty high here, at least $1000 a year at the very light end) has always been a distant, secondary thought to most smokers I knew, even in regards to quitting. Maybe at $45 it'd actually achieve the hard and fast result of getting lots of people to quit? Semi related well not really: I always found it odd so many call it a tax on the poor, but then will say how it's a choice, a right. The latter is absolutely true, it's a choice, and yes, it disproportionately impacts the poorer, but what about the choice? If you choose to smoke, well you know what you're gunna pay for it, and it's not a target of the poor, poorer just smoke more. I am not anti smoker, if anything I feel bad how vehemently angry so many get over it and treat smokers like they're hitler. Just I kinda hate how so many try to twist into an unfair targeting/hurting the poor thing. If ya wanna smoke, smoke but cmon, dont say its some evil way to target the poor or unfair.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 04:23
sadly that's what a lot of smokers resort too... Contraband ciggies from Poland or more eastern origins, or biuying reserves in a country where it's not nearly as expensive (Right now, Brits are emptying Belgian stores on the shoreline before going back home)
Well, I'l not so sure that first hand smoke is less harmfull to by-standers, because there is also the smoke from the tip of the ciggie when not dragging a puff >> that's pure unregultaed combustion fumes.
Not smoking in bars is a big benefit, but it comes way too late for me, as I don't frequent them nearly as much as I used to... Sure in jazz/music clubs and restaurants, it helps a fair bit actually, in Continental Europe, I see girls smoke way more than the men their age... and back in the 70's & 80's, I seem to remember that women were just as smokers as men were ============== while I definitely suffered from "wild" unregulated tabagism around me for decades, but nowadays that things are much better, I can't help but thinking that smokers are being outcasted (somewhat unfairly) in present days, beit at work or in leisure time and asking them to go smoke outside is hardly a solution, because non-smokers are still on the streets and go through the bar/restaurant entrances |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 04:34
 I only go for the music, why do I have to deal with that cr*p? 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 07:11
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Personally, I could not go back to the times when you could smoke in pubs - permanent fug, clothes/hair smelling like an ashtray when you got home.... Ironically, given the EU laws which banned smoking in the UK came from Brussells, when I visited there, I found over half the bars there allowed smoking & I was even looked at oddly when I went outside for one  -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |