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micky
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Lewian
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Posted: December 09 2015 at 20:31 |
Thanks for this thread by the way! Making up the list is big fun and makes me listen to many great things again. The list itself will still take a while...
By the way, reading somewhere else in this forum I thought the appreciation for classical music is strong here, but I don't see that much in the lists posted up to now. I wonder whether this is a proper reflection of people's taste, or whether they exclude classical for other reasons such as admiration rather for specific works than for albums (but the opening post states we can list works), or some people may just don't think it belongs here (I think it does).
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: December 09 2015 at 20:39 |
I have a couple of dozen classical albums and another couple of dozen 20th century classical but none of them would crack my top 200. They get plenty of play.
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sublime220
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Posted: December 09 2015 at 21:19 |
Did you read the OP? He strongly advised not to list classical.
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zravkapt
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 00:01 |
Classical isn't an 'album' genre like jazz, pop or rock is anyway.
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Kazza3
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 04:25 |
zravkapt wrote:
Classical isn't an 'album' genre like jazz, pop or rock is anyway.
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Yeah, include classical (preferably as per my suggestions) by all means, but basically this.
Regardless, I'm not sure that classical would feature as strongly you suggest, Lewian- while there's certainly a strong appreciation of classical music around these parts (it'd feature strongly on my list if I included it), for most people I don't think it compares at all to their appreciation of prog or other popular music, which isn't all that surprising on a prog rock site.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 08:53 |
Yeah. I know some classical would make my list if it were an album genre, but with the wealth of different performances, you'd be lucky to have two of the same album mentioned. And with the new solution, there's the weird possibility that the 33rd greatest album of all time might be Wagner's Die Walküre. I'd hate to say no classical, but I think that's the best route to go, honestly.
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 09:04 |
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
I'd be really surprised if anyone else on this site makes a list with nearly as much southern rock in it!
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That's what I was thinking as I read this list: "Man, there's a whole lot of southern rock on there!"
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emigre80
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 09:09 |
I want to adopt everyone else's list and take them all out to dinner. I've just been reminded about a lot of great albums.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 11:51 |
I was just curious how strongly classical music would feature in such an exercise, but as things stand, that's not so clear because some don't include classical because it doesn't score high enough for them whereas some others don't include it for other reasons such as "it isn't an album genre". Well, so be it then, at the end of the day it's anyone's own decision.
Did you read the OP? He strongly advised not to list classical.
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If you read the OP again you'll realise that listing specific albums is discouraged but listing classical works (assuming the best interpretation you know) is fine.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 12:00 |
Damn that was much harder than I thought ....and all I've done is list 200 albums. There's definitely no order yet, and I am struggling to see how I'm ever going to pull that off
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Lewian
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 15:56 |
So you now have written them down in some random order. Make a new list on which you start with the first (random) album on your list, and then add further albums one by one, always putting them in "correct" order with those that are already there. This becomes harder the more albums are already there, granted, but I think it remains doable until you reach no. 200. I know that some albums can just not really be compared and some of the decisions to make there are very hard, in which case you can do just something that feels about right. Still this will produce a ranking that should be almost as good as it gets in manageable time. Certainly it's better than looking at a list of 200 and waiting for an order to form in your head. (Maybe this idea is trivial and nothing new for you and you're agonising about all the decisions that there still are to be made, but in any case it probably can't hurt to post this...)
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 16:08 |
Here are my top 250 albums per my ratings in progfreak. Take them for what they are worth. If I get time I will try and sort and rank and maybe add or eliminate but for now this is an alright place sitter.
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Kazza3
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Posted: December 10 2015 at 21:12 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Here are my top 250 albums per my ratings in progfreak. |
Wow. 250+ albums rated 9/10 or above?!
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 07:45 |
I will be back before the deadline
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 09:16 |
Kazza3 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Here are my top 250 albums per my ratings in progfreak. |
Wow. 250+ albums rated 9/10 or above?! |
That is out of 7400+ albums. I'm bound to think that at least some of them are magnificent or stellar. Otherwise what the heck am I doing listening to all of this music.
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 10:18 |
Lewian wrote:
So you now have written them down in some random order. Make a new list on which you start with the first (random) album on your list, and then add further albums one by one, always putting them in "correct" order with those that are already there. This becomes harder the more albums are already there, granted, but I think it remains doable until you reach no. 200. I know that some albums can just not really be compared and some of the decisions to make there are very hard, in which case you can do just something that feels about right. Still this will produce a ranking that should be almost as good as it gets in manageable time. Certainly it's better than looking at a list of 200 and waiting for an order to form in your head. (Maybe this idea is trivial and nothing new for you and you're agonising about all the decisions that there still are to be made, but in any case it probably can't hurt to post this...)
| Thanks dad Not really what I meant though...what I was getting at is that I simply don't have favourites among my favourite albums. ....and yes I wouldn't know how to compare albums like Liquid Swords, Out to Lunch and Forever Changes - 3 completely different albums that I happen to love just about equally. Gangsta rap vs avant jazz vs psych poprock. There are of course some albums that I prefer over others, but we're talking less than 50. The problem then is ranking those buggers. Either way, I promise to have finished my list before the deadline. In the end the order doesn't really matter all that much to me, as it changes on a daily basis.
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emigre80
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 11:40 |
ranking albums is difficult. I just looked back on the list I made a week ago and was astonished by the choices. Blue Lines before The Yes Album? What the hell was I thinking?
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zravkapt
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 11:48 |
After all of you are done ranking your lists you can join me here in the nut house...lots of people to talk to. We're all alone but there's lots of people to talk to...
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 11 2015 at 11:48 |
emigre80 wrote:
ranking albums is difficult. I just looked back on the list I made a week ago and was astonished by the choices. Blue Lines before The Yes Album? What the hell was I thinking? |
That really is so true. I tend to rank individual albums as I listen to them. So I might listen to an album and think that it is great and give it an 8 or 9. But then I look at a list like my top 250 above and think how in the world can such and such an album be on this list...I like it...but it isn't one of my top 250 albums. It just happened to get a higher ranking on the day that I assigned that ranking. When you are basically dealing with 5 stars and only the really best and really worst get 5s or 1s it is really hard to differentiate between albums. The 10 ranking is a little better, but really most things are either 7s, 8s, or 9s. I try and differentiate levels of like by the decimals, but ranking so many albums makes it very difficult to result in some sort of accurate order without going back and changing things based on comparisons and other rankings....and I've really yet to do that other than maybe at year end when i am compiling my top 10 list for the current year.
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