The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism

I don't care anymore. Politics are an illusion. Two (or three, maybe four) parties (do you even want to labeled as belonging to party?) fighting over something we actually almost agree on, but are manipulated by media to believe we despise each other. Who we should be fighting are the far lefters and far righters! I will admit I was trying to bait left-leaners to say something I didn't like. It didn't work. I'm to young to actually understand bullcrap anyway (is anyone old enough), so I'm gonna leave it at that.

Someone was saying we need another Yes vs. Genesis thread. That sounds awesome.

I think what makes the news is far lefters and far righters doing stupid things, while the "normal" folks are debating their nonsense. When this debating occurs there is a lot of misunderstandings between the two parties and "actual" belief systems. Is that a valid observation?

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Edited by garfunkel - November 15 2015 at 00:03

and baiting people in the hope that they will say something stupid doesn't usually advance the debate either.

I was just going by your statement:

^ feel free to start one, it's been a long day and I don't feel up to taking on anything that controversial.

well, I guess we've settled that one, so I'm going to bed.  sleep well.

Pastmaster wrote: I'm out too, I need to remember my own words: 'Politics has no place on a music forum'

I will repeat what I said earlier. This isn't a music forum, it's a general discussions forum. If there is a consensus that political discussion shouldn't be allowed, then the admins should be petitioned to ban it. Doesn't sound very healthy to me, but if that turned out to be what most people wanted I would support it. That's democracy.

Ironically....

Here you go. A bit more 'real' liberal whinging about outdated concepts like free speech and tolerance etc.. (that was sarcasm)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/13/ban-germaine-greer-universities-free-speech?CMP=fb_gu

Matthew _Gill wrote: My Liberal sister is always fast to point out that not all Muslims are bad after an Islamist created atrocity, fair enough. She rarely condemns their actions though - true Leftist!

Maybe she thinks the condemnation goes withot saying.

There is little value in everyone trying to out do each other with their personal outrage, justified though it is.

Lberalism is also not exlsuively the preserve of the left. The hard left is extremely authoritarian. You get liberal conservatives. You get liberal socialists. My point in this thread is that the outraged, instantly offended, authoritarian upstarts demanding that this that and the other are banned, actually sit outside that left/right paradigm, despite what they may think.

Matthew _Gill wrote: Blacksword wrote: Matthew _Gill wrote: My Liberal sister is always fast to point out that not all Muslims are bad after an Islamist created atrocity, fair enough. She rarely condemns their actions though - true Leftist! Maybe she thinks the condemnation goes withot saying. There is little value in everyone trying to out do each other with their personal outrage, justified though it is. Lberalism is also not exlsuively the preserve of the left. The hard left is extremely authoritarian. You get liberal conservatives. You get liberal socialists. My point in this thread is that the outraged, instantly offended, authoritarian upstarts demanding that this that and the other are banned, actually sit outside that left/right paradigm, despite what they may think. My Labour voting Brother and Sister both class themselves as Neo-Liberals and I believe their lack of empathy towards those affected by Islamism is due to them having Muslim friends who may get offended by any form of critique. Apart from those who align themselves with true fascists in the UAF/Hope not hate and deface war memorials, poppies and graves etc to spite the right, then I do feel sorry for the passive left, they seemed to have their hands tied.

Neo liberalism is a form of 'faux liberalism' IMO, because it adherents seem to support austerity, war and restrictions on speech. It's more in tune with the Blair side of the labour movement rather than the Corbyn side. IMO.



Edited by Blacksword - November 15 2015 at 07:44