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emigre80
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Posted: September 23 2015 at 19:14 |
Good, I was starting to get really bored.
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Posted: September 23 2015 at 23:22 |
Atavachron wrote:
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The black man with his raised closed hand has nothing to do with fascism; this sign relates to the Afro-American struggle during the 1960s and indicates solidarity of movement, not a Hitler salute or a satire of one. In fact the photo may be completely misleading, as it appears the man is saluting the soldiers in support. Either way, you're applying Euro-trash politics to the US-- doesn't work.
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LOL!
That picture is an photo-illustration, a decor at the webpage with the text about that Gallup research - what I copy-pasted altogether with a pic. Of course I know that Afro-American guy with his raised hand is not a fascist; on contrary... That recent Gallup's research is about the growing fear of the government in the U.S., therefore photography is okay as a decor there. Btw, the U.S. right-wingers now are basically the same sh*t as Euro right-wingers at the present day; they both encouraged the xenophobia that is so similar now and they both moved to be more and more rightist so they are proto-fascists now. Not fascists yet, but one step more and that is that. p.s. And when I said 'the right-wingers' re USA and so called "E.U.", I don't think on that fascistic underground, as e.g. small neo-nazi groups, football hooligans organizations in EU, etc., I think on the part of the political mainstream.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 01:00 |
emigre80 wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
10 generations. My Scottish side has been here longer than Canada was a nation.
"Xenophobia" is a leftist canard to shut down discussion. Tribalism is natural behavior that has deep roots in evolutionary psychology; it is only not allowed if you live in a first-world country, apparently.
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A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 01:43 |
Svetonio wrote:
]A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.
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Being a Latino, I couldn't be more against xenophobia, but I understand (not justify) that feeling in USA citizens.
A country has a limited source of job, illegal immigrants take the jobs of USA citizens and legal immigrants, so the reaction can be explained.
Here in Perú we are not xenophobic, but things have reached a limit, since Humala (COMMUNIST) was elected, he opened the door to Cuban medical doctors who are taking all the best paid jobs in the government with a salary between US$ 5,000.00 and US$ 10,000.00 a month, while peruvian doctors had to make a strike because they are paid less than US$ 300.00 a month in public hospitals.
After 9 years of study to get the certificate, and 6 months of strike, they gained nothing, because the Government threatened them with bringing more Cuban doctors (who gain US$ 20.00 a month in Cuba) to replace the Peruvians and will be pleased erning 15 times more.
The worst thing is that this is illegal, because the Cuban doctors are not accepted by the Peruvian Medical Association, because they haven't passed the professional test, so they come as "advisors", who work a couple hours while the real Peruvian doctors make the hard job.
All because Chavez supported Humala's campaign and now Venezuela (who maintains Cuba) forces the Government to accept the cubans that Venezuela can't pay anymore.
We don't hate Cubans, but we want no more of them here.
Is that so hard to understand?
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 02:31 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
]A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.
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Here in Perú we are not xenophobic, but things have reached a limit, since Humala (COMMUNIST) was elected, he opened the door to Cuban medical doctors who are taking all the best paid jobs in the government with a salary between US$ 5,000.00 and US$ 10,000.00 a month, while peruvian doctors had to make a strike because they are paid less than US$ 300.00 a month in public hospitals.
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I presume that the private hospitals in your country employed the Cuban doctors and give them that money because the managements / owners of the private hospitals probably just thought that the doctors from Cuba are far better than Peruvian doctors due to the fact that Cuba through decades was investing a lot in medical care in general, and Cuba really builded that as a brand, and consenquently, Cuban doctors have a bigger salaries in Peruvian private hospiotals than Peruvian doctors who are working in state-owned hospitals; but that's one of those beautiful things of Capitalismo, isn't? It's hardly to believe that the salaries could be so different for Cubans and Peruvian doctors if they are both are working for the ministry of health i.e. not in the private clinics.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:00 |
lazland wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
I think the word you are looking for is........ arachibutyrophobia
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Isn't that a Marillion album? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) |
No, not really ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) (I might know since I once wrote a song about it). But it may have been the trigger that pushed Jimmy Carter into politics ![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) .
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:35 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
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If I go to Paris I want to see Paris, not Mogadishu.
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Racist bullsh*t. As a "commie" boy from Yugoslavia, I went in Paris as a tourist to see Beaubourg, Pont Alexandre III, Rue de Seine, this and that, not to count those colored street walkers.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:41 |
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What?
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:48 |
I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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Dean
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 04:13 |
Svetonio wrote:
I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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two d's in addressed - not a criticism as I am dyslex and often misspell words, just a polite correction.
Dean wrote:
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Svetonio's "compadres" can always answer my posts on his behalf, and they frequently do. ![Wink Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) |
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So if your "buddies" would like to explain how implying that all Somalians in Paris are "street walkers" is not a racist presumption I'm ready and waiting for their responses. ![Stern Smile Stern Smile](smileys/smiley22.gif)
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What?
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 04:24 |
Svetonio wrote:
I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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Stop being a dick ![Stern Smile Stern Smile](smileys/smiley22.gif)
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 05:44 |
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters. p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts. |
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two d's in addressed - not a criticism as I am dyslex and often misspell words, just a polite correction.
Dean wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio's "compadres" can always answer my posts on his behalf, and they frequently do. ![Wink Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) |
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So if your "buddies" would like to explain how implying that all Somalians in Paris are "street walkers" is not a racist presumption I'm ready and waiting for their responses. ![Stern Smile Stern Smile](smileys/smiley22.gif)
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I'm pretty sure it's the language barrier... I myself didn't realize either that street walker could mean anything other than someone just walking on the street.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 05:59 |
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I'm pretty sure it's the language barrier... I myself didn't realize either that street walker could mean anything other than someone just walking on the street. |
I doubt it, but if Svetonio needs an escape route then so be it.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 11:27 |
This thread has it all, claustrophobic streetwalkers, pics of military might and old dead guys. hitler and star trek, confederate flags and good old boys. Keep it rolling..........
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 13:47 |
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 14:00 |
Dean wrote:
twseel wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's the language barrier... I myself didn't realize either that street walker could mean anything other than someone just walking on the street. |
I doubt it, but if Svetonio needs an escape route then so be it. |
Now you don't need to go around making it any easier for yourself, you can see he's already mixed up claustrophobia and xenophobia here and he often mixes up 'has' and 'does'. Not letting him off the hook in the few times he actually tried to do right is partly what made him go so berserk.
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emigre80
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 14:15 |
timothy leary wrote:
This thread has it all, claustrophobic streetwalkers, pics of military might and old dead guys. hitler and star trek, confederate flags and good old boys. Keep it rolling.......... | But where's the prog?
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 14:18 |
emigre80 wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
This thread has it all, claustrophobic streetwalkers, pics of military might and old dead guys. hitler and star trek, confederate flags and good old boys. Keep it rolling.......... | But where's the prog?
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 14:54 |
emigre80 wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
This thread has it all, claustrophobic streetwalkers, pics of military might and old dead guys. hitler and star trek, confederate flags and good old boys. Keep it rolling.......... | But where's the prog?
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At this sub-forum? Oh, maybe one day you will realize that this sub-forum is for the topics not related to music.
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Posted: September 24 2015 at 15:23 |
Svetonio wrote:
I presume that the private hospitals in your country employed the Cuban doctors and give them that money because the managements / owners of the private hospitals probably just thought that the doctors from Cuba are far better than Peruvian doctors due to the fact that Cuba through decades was investing a lot in medical care in general, and Cuba really builded that as a brand, and consenquently, Cuban doctors have a bigger salaries in Peruvian private hospiotals than Peruvian doctors who are working in state-owned hospitals; but that's one of those beautiful things of Capitalismo, isn't? It's hardly to believe that the salaries could be so different for Cubans and Peruvian doctors if they are both are working for the ministry of health i.e. not in the private clinics.
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Peruvian private hospitals don't hire Cuban doctors, their medicine is 20 years behind our's, I spoke about PUBLIC sector.
Do you know how to read?
The Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia is in the top 60 in latin America and it isn't higher because they only teach medicine (The more programs you have, the higher you are in the ranking), Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos is even better in the ranking (Even when not as good as Cayetano Heredia, but has 20 careers).
La Habana is in place 83
Peruvian doctors study 9 years against 4 in Cuba.
Cuban medicine is a DISGRACE, nobody told me, I was there, I broke a tooth in La Habana and the dental center was a pig's den, they didn't even cleaned the instruments, I had to pay US$ 60.00 for just a bit of cement, (They didn't even had porcelain), because I refused invasive treatment, in a room with 40 persons waiting around you.
Cuban doctors can't participate in operations or prescribe medicines in Perú, the 20 that took the test failed ALL OF THEM.
The only places where they are hired is as advisors in the PUBLIC SYSTEM, because the President is paying Venezuela for the money he received from Chavez during his campaign, helping them with the Cubans they maintain.
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