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micky 
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 Posted: September 03 2015 at 19:36 |
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Alright! Kind of a leading question but this is your turf, man.  |
RPI is pretty obvious.. Damn right the Cold War influenced Italian prog. I definitely recommend reading up on the history of those years. The context in which all that music was made. Much more informative than you'll get from me as I don't have the time to fully explain it, and Raff is the one to really speak of that. She was there, I just learned from her. Krautrock is a bit more subtle IMO in its influences and goes into some things I'd just assume not go into as it is some pretty heavy stuff.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: September 03 2015 at 19:41 |
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I voted Lenin, but my second option was Demetrio Stratos.
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ahhh.. we love tangents so would Stratos be considered, in the context of the overall thread, to be the leading musical revolutionary. Tough category there if one considers the folksies...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Dean
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 02:30 |
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I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito |
Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on.
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  Murder is murder. Killing thousands of unarmed soldiers, prisoners, civilians, nurses, women and children in the name of a political ideology is mass murder, in a time of war that is called a war crime and in peace it is genocide, politicide and democide, either way it is mass murder and a criminal act. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that only armed combatants were killed but the forensic evidence from hundreds of mass graves says otherwise.
There isn't enough white paint in the World to whitewash over the mass murders committed throughout the World during the 20th century in the name of some ridiculous ideology. It's sickening and nothing that any human being can ever be proud of.
My favourite revolutionary, Mohandas Karamchand "Mahatma" Gandhi Mahatma Gandhi with mill workers in Darwen, Lancashire during a 1931 visit to Britain
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 07:25 |
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
NutterAlert wrote:
I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito |
Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on.
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Murder is murder. Killing thousands of unarmed soldiers, prisoners, civilians, nurses, women and children in the name of a political ideology is mass murder, in a time of war that is called a war crime and in peace it is genocide, politicide and democide, either way it is mass murder and a criminal act. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that only armed combatants were killed but the forensic evidence from hundreds of mass graves says otherwise.
There isn't enough white paint in the World to whitewash over the mass murders committed throughout the World during the 20th century in the name of some ridiculous ideology. It's sickening and nothing that any human being can ever be proud of.
My favourite revolutionary, Mohandas Karamchand "Mahatma" Gandhi Mahatma Gandhi with mill workers in Darwen, Lancashire during a 1931 visit to Britain
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That's why I voted for Rosa Luxemburg, who never harmed a soul.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 08:51 |
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
NutterAlert wrote:
I prefer revoluntionaries like Noam Chomsky to brutal killers like Lenin or Tito |
Marshal Tito was killed only fascists, but a lot of them, in WW2 / Revolution, all of the versions - German nazis, Italian fascists, ustashe, chetniks, Ljotic's fascists and so on.
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Murder is murder. Killing thousands of unarmed soldiers, prisoners, civilians, nurses, women and children in the name of a political ideology is mass murder, in a time of war that is called a war crime and in peace it is genocide, politicide and democide, either way it is mass murder and a criminal act. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that only armed combatants were killed but the forensic evidence from hundreds of mass graves says otherwise.
There isn't enough white paint in the World to whitewash over the mass murders committed throughout the World during the 20th century in the name of some ridiculous ideology. It's sickening and nothing that any human being can ever be proud of.
My favourite revolutionary, Mohandas Karamchand "Mahatma" Gandhi Mahatma Gandhi with mill workers in Darwen, Lancashire during a 1931 visit to Britain
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I'm not defending Svetonio Dean, but just asking a question. How long does it take someone that has been brainwashed by decades of propaganda from an amoral political structure, that was further fueled by paranoia, to see the truth of that country's past, if ever?
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 08:52 |
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 08:55 |
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If ever?
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Dean
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 09:03 |
SteveG wrote:
I'm defending Svetonio Dean, but just asking a question. How long does it take someone that has been brainwashed by decades of propaganda from an amoral political structure, that was further fueled by paranoia, to see the truth of that country's past, if ever? |
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If ever? |
A good point well made.
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someone_else
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 09:03 |
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Apparently you are not very selective in picking your pleas for Josip Broz  .
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 09:35 |
I have a quote I'd like to share as well
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 10:28 |
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"Most quotes on the internet are made up" - Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 10:48 |
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King Zog of Albania must be worth a mention soon..another unenlightened despot!
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 12:24 |
Looking at some of the comments above..... ... is why I quoted Repairman Jack ( a fictional character btw...) 'Never trust anyone who wants to change the world.'
Usually those 'revolutionaries' end up killing people to achieve their 'enlightened and lofty goals'.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 12:58 |
someone_else wrote:
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Apparently you are not very selective in picking your pleas for Josip Broz . |
Mugabe was probably one of the worst African leaders - ruthless and evil.
Kinda like standing up for Richard Wagner by quoting Hitler.
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lazland
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 13:08 |
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If ever I have any doubts whatsoever about the futility, evil, and sheer stupidity of men governed by blind ideology, I shall go back to Dean's exceptional post, and then wonder in utter amazement at Svetonio's ridiculous attempt to continue defending that position.
Sir, you are a bloody idiot, and your like is damned dangerous.
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Skalla-Grim
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 13:13 |
| Who is your favourite revolutionary? |
Giordano Brunohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 13:26 |
Sophie Scholl, she had a real cause and wasn't a politician with petty interests
And of course
I would never vote for a criminal as Guevara, a genocide as Lenin, Stalin or Mao
PS: I would had mentioned Jesus Christ, but it could cause some negative reactions, so lets leave it in contemporary men and women
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 04 2015 at 14:52 |
Raff wrote:
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Svetonio's got some interesting revisionist history
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Says the guy who posts pics of Mussolini. My parents lived under Fascism and through WWII, and it surely was no picnic.
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What does that have to do with the fact that Tito was as much of a tyrannical despot as every other communist leader?
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Dean
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Posted: September 05 2015 at 00:51 |
Dean wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I'm defending Svetonio Dean, but just asking a question. How long does it take someone that has been brainwashed by decades of propaganda from an amoral political structure, that was further fueled by paranoia, to see the truth of that country's past, if ever? |
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If ever? |
A good point well made.
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Never in their lifetime?
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