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Triceratopsoil 
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 Posted: August 17 2015 at 21:12 |
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nice 4 year old thread bump
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 17 2015 at 22:05 |
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Heaviness for me is more about dynamic contrast.
I like Rush certainly, if they're Prog Metal I don't recall.
What DT I've heard is okay in small doses because of the rhythmic variations and tight orchestration. It sometimes reminds me of Hackett's Mechanical Bride, though that's a lot more bluesy. DT does kind of bore me as far as what I've heard from them. Still, I don't really find them all that heavy really and I suggest maybe that they're not a good example of Metal, Prog or otherwise.
I really can't stand Opeth. Too much thrash and raspy vocal, and not a lot happening. You just have to ride it out, it seems, in order to find anything that changes in a serious way. A non-metal analog might be VDGG. I like the droning double sax, sure, but you have to wait for paint to dry before they change anything up (but if you have patience and endurance there are sometimes redeeming qualities). Well, I don't know anything else about Prog Metal, and I'm off talking about VDGG, so...
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 17 2015 at 22:10 |
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The real question is why those who like either or both 'prog' and 'metal' don't necessarily like 'progmetal'.
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A_Flower
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Posted: August 17 2015 at 23:10 |
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People are just too afraid to get into music that is not Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge-Chorus. That's one reason. People are also afraid of songs being to long and some songs are a little strange. Those are only a few of the many reasons
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symphonicman
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Posted: August 17 2015 at 23:44 |
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I mostly like Progressive metal that doesn't really sound like Metal.
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Of the fields and the sky.
He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood.
But lines get broken down.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 10:26 |
 Atavachron wrote:
The real question is why those who like either or both 'prog' and 'metal' don't necessarily like 'progmetal'.
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There is some Prog Metal that I really dig and some that I don't. However, I give the genre a wide berth because it's appeal, to me at least, was that it was a new hybrid. We guitar players were recycling chords and riffs that have been around for over a hundred years, and we were simply running out of ideas. Prog Metal was at least a new avenue.
Edited by SteveG - August 18 2015 at 10:27
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 11:18 |
symphonicman wrote:
I mostly like Progressive metal that doesn't really sound like Metal.
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^this
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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twalsh
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 12:14 |
I feel like I'm 'growing out' of prog metal. I'm embarrassed by some of the cheesier lyrics (mythology and anti-Christian lyrics eventually get old) now and I prefer more dynamics. musically. I appreciate the aggressive parts in a song more when there are softer, slower parts to contrast it with, so I am moving more to heavy prog.
What hasn't changed is that I tend not to like bands who shy away from any heaviness at all. Aggressive guitar or bass (occasionally, keys will work) showing up is almost essential still.
Edited by twalsh - August 18 2015 at 12:23
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More heavy prog, please!
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Smurph
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 12:39 |
I have been dipping deeper and deeper into the avant-metal territory, which is the more unclassifiable prog metal. Most of it is on the more extreme end, but bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and this new Lychgate album get me all crazy.
I really can understand someone not liking it because if you told me 10 years ago that most of the music I listened to would be over the top screaming complex metal and a bunch of 70's foreign language prog I would have called you an insane person.
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Disparate Times
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 13:42 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
nice 4 year old thread bump
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 why not just start a new thread? Modern threads just aren't the same as the classics
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dr prog
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Posted: August 18 2015 at 22:23 |
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I don't like metal. Full stop
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 25 2015 at 16:50 |
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Overruled! Full speed ahead!
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 25 2015 at 16:52 |
SteveG wrote:
Overruled! Full speed ahead! |
Steve, I didn't know you were a metal fan.....
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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prog4evr
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 09:05 |
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I love prog metal when it is sung by Russell Allen (of Symphony X). Has that man done any solo projects yet? Because with Symphony X putting out albums only every 5 years or so, the time is due for the man to have a monumental solo career...
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geekfreak
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 03:00 |
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ok there are some fabulous prog metal around this forum. which I`ve had many enjoyable hours of music playing...
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Cristi
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 03:53 |
prog4evr wrote:
I love prog metal when it is sung by Russell Allen (of Symphony X). Has that man done any solo projects yet? Because with Symphony X putting out albums only every 5 years or so, the time is due for the man to have a monumental solo career...
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you might like his collaboration with Jorn Lande, but it's just power metal, but pretty good.
he's also in Adrenaline Mob, you might like it, bit I did not.
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Kati
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 04:23 |
Pain of Salvation and Opeth plus Liquid Tension Experiment etc. are classified prog metal aren't they? I do I love them, but I don't like many other metal bands.
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rdtprog
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 05:01 |
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There's no reason to hate completely this genre, there's some good bands in all genres.
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BaldJean
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 05:39 |
Andy Webb wrote:
Now don't you go and say "But I like prog metal!!" I know some people do, but a lot of people don't.
Why?
In my opinion, I think many of the classic prog fans don't like the heavier music tainting their genre. If you like Harry Potter, Prog Metal is like half-bloods: where classic prog rock is pure-blood and metal is mud-blood-- when the two mix, the pure-bloods don't like it. Prog metal is essentially the combination of bands that most classic fans don't like, such as Metallica or Slayer, with the bands they do, such as Yes, Genesis or Rush. The resulted product is a tainted one. You wouldn't eat something that had dirt on it would you?
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not true; I like some really heavy prog. High Tide are very heavy, and Hawkwind can be too. and I like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Budgie or Black Sabbath. especially Budgie are extremely heavy. Guru Guru's "Hinten", one of my favorite albums, is very heavy. some tracks of Amon Düül 2 are very heavy as well. frumpy and Atlantis can be very heavy as well (the latter are not in the archives, though Friede an I believe they definitely belong into prog-related, especially due to their first album). Wishbone Ash, another band I like, definitely has a heavy side as well. but I dislike the overall sound of prog metal. it is too clean. where is the dirt that is in my opinion necessary to make an album really heavy?
Edited by BaldJean - November 11 2015 at 05:47
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 11 2015 at 11:35 |
BaldJean wrote:
but I dislike the overall sound of prog metal. it is too clean. where is the dirt that is in my opinion necessary to make an album really heavy?
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Now.....what kind of 'dirt' are you referring to..?
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