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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2014 at 16:13
Isn't that in line with what I wrote? As long as it's 'rock', we can take it in or consider it. Otherwise, we don't - unless we change to 'progressive music' and end up in the mess you describe. 

RYM could be different - it is possible to put different front-ends (sites) next to each other that share content.
At some point I thought Max had a vision like that, when he started Metal Music Archives and Jazz Music Archive next to this site. It would've been great to be able to put everything in the right genre, publish it at the right site and have a single database behind it all to redirect people to the right place. Maybe one day...
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2014 at 16:19
Sorry Angelo, that post wasn't directed at you even if I used it as a starting point
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Oh, I wasn't critising you, just looking for confirmation that we were thinking in the same direction. ;-)

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Very good, Gents. You've all given me the answer I expected (except for Atavachron, Finnforrest and Sventonio) without asking the pertinent question: Why?
 
PA's Psych/Space rock site excludes key psychedelic groups that range from the 13 Floor Elevators, Country Joe and The Fish, The Red Crayola, Lost And Found, The Golden Dawn, The Bubble Puppy, Silver Apples and about two dozen more nascent and influential psychedelic groups that I could list.
 
PA's So called 'Pysch/Space' site is for groups that are just that: Floyd, Hawkwind and their clones.
 
The old rule adage goes "When something isn't broken, don't fix it"
 
That old adage does not apply to PA's current Psych/Space Rock sub genre. Obvious key Psychedelic Rock groups should have been or need to be included.
 
If the criteria to admit them is flawed, out dated and just plain silly (which it seems), then fix it  or start a new sub genre.
 
That would be the point for doing this. It's too bad we could not have a had a back and forth discussion about this, but I'm not surprised by this anymore.
 
 
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You failed to ask us why we say "No"

We are not here to catalogue all that is Psychedelic Rock, that is not our function, mandate, raison d'etre, role, goal, aim, ambition, desire, need or requirement. It is not why the site exists or why we are here. If this is what you want then I suggest looking elsewhere - try a Psych Rock archive or something - or Rate Your Music. We are here to catalogue all that is Progressive Rock. 

Any category listed on the PA Front Page in Orange is regarded here as a subset (or subgenre) of Progressive Rock and those in Yellow are not. So once again: the "Progressive" in Psychedelic/Space Rock (which is shown in Orange on the Front Page) is implicit. This means that non-Prog bands like Country Joe and The Fish are inadmissible because the Psychedelic Rock they played was not Progressive Psychedelic Rock.


We include *some* non-Prog Psychedelic Rock bands under Proto Prog (which is shown in Yellow on the Front Page) if they were germane to the formation of Progressive Rock as a genre, but this does not mean that we should, could or would include every Psych band, regardless of how "key" you believe them to be. [Clue: none of the bands you've listed thus far need to be included under Proto Prog or Psych/Space].





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Points: 17630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2014 at 17:31
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


 
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If the criteria to admit them is flawed, out dated and just plain silly (which it seems), then fix it  or start a new sub genre.

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now that makes it clear what your intention is.

You are not the first to claim such a change, this comes up on and off. But my answer, alongside with Dean, always will be - this is a progressive rock archive, as for that we only are willing to add progressive rock acts to our subgenres - simple as that Smile

would be interesting to know btw how this new subgenre should be named - non-progressive psychedelic/space rock, or something like that?





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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

This means that non-Prog bands like Country Joe and The Fish are inadmissible because the Psychedelic Rock they played was not Progressive Psychedelic Rock.

It's really as simple as that.
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Points: 20631 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 09:55
I have no problem with a Psych Rock Lounge.....I don't think we need another sub genre.
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Points: 20616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 10:16
Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


 
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If the criteria to admit them is flawed, out dated and just plain silly (which it seems), then fix it  or start a new sub genre.

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now that makes it clear what your intention is.

You are not the first to claim such a change, this comes up on and off. But my answer, alongside with Dean, always will be - this is a progressive rock archive, as for that we only are willing to add progressive rock acts to our subgenres - simple as that Smile

would be interesting to know btw how this new subgenre should be named - non-progressive psychedelic/space rock, or something like that?



I know it's in poor taste to answer a question with a question, but what would you call George Harrisons experimental Moog album titled Electronic sounds?
 
Experimental Psychedelic Rock sounds good to me. And it still sounds like progressive rock to me. Wink
 
Now perhaps you can answer a question for me and explain how Brian Eno's ambiant music is considered progressive rock and why it's listed in PA under Experimental Electronic? Shouldn't it be called non-progressive experimental electronic rock instead? Smile


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Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 10:25
how about a progressive World subgenre........................ahh just kid'n
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 10:42
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


 
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If the criteria to admit them is flawed, out dated and just plain silly (which it seems), then fix it  or start a new sub genre.

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now that makes it clear what your intention is.

You are not the first to claim such a change, this comes up on and off. But my answer, alongside with Dean, always will be - this is a progressive rock archive, as for that we only are willing to add progressive rock acts to our subgenres - simple as that Smile

would be interesting to know btw how this new subgenre should be named - non-progressive psychedelic/space rock, or something like that?



I know it's in poor taste to answer a question with a question, but what would you call George Harrisons experimental Moog album titled Electronic sounds?
 
Experimental Psychedelic Rock sounds good to me. And it still sounds like progressive rock to me. Wink
 
Now perhaps you can answer a question for me and explain how Brian Eno's ambiant music is considered progressive rock and why it's listed in PA under Experimental Electronic? Shouldn't it be called non-progressive experimental electronic rock instead? Smile


This is a snippet from a post of mine taken from a thread about The Orb:

The thing is that PA is about prog rock, and it's electronic sub only really exists because of the sites

inclusion of Krautrock; a scene so heavily interwoven with pure electronic music, that the two in fact are

inseperable. As a consequence of this, PA (mostly) restricts the electronic sub to acts who can trace a

direct lineage or sound back to the genre's rock roots. Granted we do have other countries chiming in from

along the same time, but then again, most of them were either highly influenced by the Germans or

similarly birthed from the country's own rock scene. 
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Points: 20616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 10:56
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

This means that non-Prog bands like Country Joe and The Fish are inadmissible because the Psychedelic Rock they played was not Progressive Psychedelic Rock.

It's really as simple as that.
I guess that you two never heard Section 43 and Marauder from the Electronic Sounds album?
 
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 11:31
Off the topic - *Progressive electronic* sub should be renamed as *Berlin School of electronic music*, and to add that "ambient" sub for the acts as e.g. Eno, imho.

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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2014 at 11:48
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

how about a progressive World subgenre........................ahh just kid'n
What about Progressive mainstream LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

This means that non-Prog bands like Country Joe and The Fish are inadmissible because the Psychedelic Rock they played was not Progressive Psychedelic Rock.

It's really as simple as that.
I guess that you two never heard Section 43 and Marauder from the Electronic Sounds album?
 

Just did. They are just not sufficient to include the band in a full-prog category like psychedlic/space rock. Proto-prog at the most but again more than two songs are required for that to materialize.

Thanks for pointing me towards these two tunes and the album. Sounds like HP Lovecraft at times.
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^Fair enough, EP. I'm glad I could alter your consciousness, even if it's with only two songs.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

This means that non-Prog bands like Country Joe and The Fish are inadmissible because the Psychedelic Rock they played was not Progressive Psychedelic Rock.

It's really as simple as that.
I guess that you two never heard Section 43 and Marauder from the Electronic Sounds album?
 
Shirley you mean Electric Music for the Mind and Body, not Electronic Sounds. Wink

Two songs doth not a Prog album make.
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