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 Posted: August 15 2014 at 09:55 |
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I can't vote, but I think Yes and No, it's a fine album, and for me ATTWT works more a a whole, W&W shines from time to time, I think they where trying to hard to keep the pace and do what they have done, instead ATTWT it's a clean cut from the past glory, and by the way, I prefer to listen to it on vinyl, it sound so much better that my cd version, it has more punch, something that the cd does not reproduce pretty well, listen to the drums on that one, even on the ballads will put a smile on your face.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 13:14 |
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No, two very different albums.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 13:24 |
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W & W was the start of Poppy Genesis with 'Your Own Special Way' or maybe it was 'Ripples' or was it 'Carpet Crawlers' oh sorry I don't remember. But, just to say that ATTWT was not the beginning of Pop Genesis Stylie.
The two albums have similarities of course
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 15:32 |
Yes, it still has that warm, overwhelming prog sound and story telling qualities.
But of course, there are great differences too. - Long songs (W&W) vs. short songs (ATTWT).
- More fairy tale/fantasy - like songs (W&W) vs. more direct human emotions and existentialist lyrics (ATTWT)
- Hackett's orchestral grandeur (W&W) vs. the lack of that (ATTWT)
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 15:48 |
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ATTWT is a big step up from the back peddling W&W with Collins indeed coming alive and David Henschel's production really put the icing on the cake. I'm still not sure what their beef was with him over their studio sound.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 16:49 |
 akamaisondufromage wrote:
W & W was the start of Poppy Genesis with 'Your Own Special Way' or maybe it was 'Ripples' or was it 'Carpet Crawlers' oh sorry I don't remember. But, just to say that ATTWT was not the beginning of Pop Genesis Stylie.
The two albums have similarities of course
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You forgot just one thing: during the middle seventies the first two Genesis songs which I enjoyed (I Know What I like ...In Your Wardrobe and Follow You Follow Me) were also responsible for making so many fans at that times.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 17:10 |
Rick Robson wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
W & W was the start of Poppy Genesis with 'Your Own Special Way' or maybe it was 'Ripples' or was it 'Carpet Crawlers' oh sorry I don't remember. But, just to say that ATTWT was not the beginning of Pop Genesis Stylie.
The two albums have similarities of course
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You forgot just one thing: during the middle seventies the first two Genesis songs which I enjoyed (I Know What I like ...In Your Wardrobe and Follow You Follow Me) were also responsible for making so many fans at that times. |
You are right Rick, I know what I like is the song that even Genesis musicians took as their first pseudo pop attempt. Which this song they were invited to Top of the Pops and they refused to go. In any case Your own special way is a stunning ballad with great lyrics for a ballad, and Ripples it is not a pop song IMO.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 17:15 |
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I find similarities, mainly because the main songwritters are still the same, Banks and Rutherford, specially Banks. Of course that there are less lead guitar solos (Rutherford and Banks always said that about ATTWT as a negative point). IMO Wind & wuthering is a masterpice, and ATTWT an almost 5 stars album. The atmosphere on both two has similarities too. There is an important difference in the lyrics, though ATTWT has great prog lyrics too.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 18:01 |
genbanks wrote:
Rick Robson wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
W & W was the start of Poppy Genesis with 'Your Own Special Way' or maybe it was 'Ripples' or was it 'Carpet Crawlers' oh sorry I don't remember. But, just to say that ATTWT was not the beginning of Pop Genesis Stylie.
The two albums have similarities of course
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You forgot just one thing: during the middle seventies the first two Genesis songs which I enjoyed (I Know What I like ...In Your Wardrobe and Follow You Follow Me) were also responsible for making so many fans at that times. |
You are right Rick, I know what I like is the song
that even Genesis musicians took as their first pseudo pop attempt.
Which this song they were invited to Top of the Pops and they refused to
go. In any case Your own special way is a stunning ballad with great
lyrics for a ballad, and Ripples it is not a pop song IMO. |
Anyway,
my point was just that 'And then there were Three wasn't Genesis' first
venture into popular music. And not to provide a comprehensive list of
their 'pop' songs... (I still think Ripples is a pop song). And I realise that I Know WHat I Like introduced many to their music and I was not being critical (I like the song).
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 18:18 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
genbanks wrote:
Rick Robson wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
W & W was the start of Poppy Genesis with 'Your Own Special Way' or maybe it was 'Ripples' or was it 'Carpet Crawlers' oh sorry I don't remember. But, just to say that ATTWT was not the beginning of Pop Genesis Stylie.
The two albums have similarities of course
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You forgot just one thing: during the middle seventies the first two Genesis songs which I enjoyed (I Know What I like ...In Your Wardrobe and Follow You Follow Me) were also responsible for making so many fans at that times. |
You are right Rick, I know what I like is the song
that even Genesis musicians took as their first pseudo pop attempt.
Which this song they were invited to Top of the Pops and they refused to
go. In any case Your own special way is a stunning ballad with great
lyrics for a ballad, and Ripples it is not a pop song IMO. |
Anyway,
my point was just that 'And then there were Three wasn't Genesis' first
venture into popular music. And not to provide a comprehensive list of
their 'pop' songs... (I still think Ripples is a pop song).
And I realise that I Know WHat I Like introduced many to their music and I was not being critical (I like the song).
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That's ok, sorry about my misunderstanding. Agree with you that ATTWT was not their first ventue into popular music. In an interview that I read many years ago, Banks said that they tried to do pop songs in those times, but they didn't know well how to do them, and he mentioned as example Counting out time and Carpet crawlers.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 22:21 |
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Of course they will have some similarities, since they are the same band, but taking that in consideration I think they made a rather big change in their sound. And, at least in some of the songs from ATTWT, I think they went in a proggier direction than before (despite the fact that they only had shorter tracks on this one)... something like Genesis meets ELP (of course, having ended up with a trio - perhaps even power trio - line-up lead by keyboards).
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 22:41 |
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Totally. When I first heard Burning Rope I thought "Wait a minute, didn't I hear this on Wind and Wuthering ??". I think the period of a year was too short for the band to change very much. They only began to change from Duke on. There are some obvious differences like the very pop Follow You Follow Me and the more direct, straightforward rock Deep in the Motherlode, but, in general, I think both albums have a similar atmosphere, with ATTWT being a little darker.
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 22:55 |
claugroi wrote:
Totally. When I first heard Burning Rope I thought "Wait a minute, didn't I hear this on Wind and Wuthering ??". I think the period of a year was too short for the band to change very much. They only began to change from Duke on. There are some obvious differences like the very pop Follow You Follow Me and the more direct, straightforward rock Deep in the Motherlode, but, in general, I think both albums have a similar atmosphere, with ATTWT being a little darker. |
 Wind & Wuthering was released in December of 1976 while ...And Then There Were Three was released in March of 1978.
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 03:12 |
Mirror Image wrote:
richardh wrote:
Voted NO
W&W is quite messy and disjointed . ATTWT is a very nicely ordered album with some very punchy (if short) prog tracks mixed in with commercial ballads that were pointing the direction they were going in. I prefer it to W&W which was an attempt to cling on to former glories and only succeeded with One For The Vine and Blood On The Rooftops. Hackett leaving brought the best out of the others I believe. Collins drumming went up a notch compared to his generally uninspired efforts on W&W and Banks synth work is amongst his very best..
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I highly disagree that Wind & Wuthering is messy and disjointed. I think it's one of their best post-Gabriel attempts along with A Trick of the Tail. Two very fine albums. Sure, Wind & Wuthering isn't perfect, but no album is actually perfect. I could do without All In A Mouse's Night and Your Own Special Way, but even these songs have their redeeming qualities. The 'trilogy' of Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers/...In That Quiet Earth/Afterglow is one of the greatest things they've done IMHO.
Anyway, like I said, I lost interest once Hackett abandoned ship. |
A Trick Of The Tail is superb and amongst my favourite prog albums
Wind and Wuthering sounds like about 3 different prog albums mashed together. I think the band didn't know what to do at this point direction wise. ATTWT has a much nicer flow to my ears. I like the mix of commercial and prog material. I'm not averse to a bit of 'crossover' and essentially this is what Genesis were becoming. What can I say? I just enjoy it more and Collins drumming on the heavier tracks like Down and Out and Burning Rope is an absolute treat  .
Hackett is an exceptional artist of course but it was not a deal breaker for me that he left Genesis. Duke was another album I enjoy and the live show they did around that time at the Lyceum is the best I've ever heard by any prog band.
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 04:33 |
Of course they share many similarities, but there are, of course, many differences. I love Wind & Wuthering, the whole album sounds like a beautiful painting.
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 13:18 |
No...they're not that simliar to me and I feel that Wind is the last really good album they did.
All the rest have some decent tracks but they don't have that Genesis magic for me.
But then I have always been a fan of the Gabriel years and then after Hackett left they were never the same and the music changed too much for my taste.
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 18:02 |
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We forget that when Hackett departed our beloved Genesis, we did get a 'different' Genesis, but we also got an amazing stream of Hackett solo albums to indulge in. And even he wasn't immune to cheezy trends either.
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 18:10 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
We forget that when Hackett departed our beloved Genesis, we did get a 'different' Genesis, but we also got an amazing stream of Hackett solo albums to indulge in. And even he wasn't immune to cheezy trends either. |
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 22:51 |
Mirror Image wrote:
claugroi wrote:
Totally. When I first heard Burning Rope I thought "Wait a minute, didn't I hear this on Wind and Wuthering ??". I think the period of a year was too short for the band to change very much. They only began to change from Duke on. There are some obvious differences like the very pop Follow You Follow Me and the more direct, straightforward rock Deep in the Motherlode, but, in general, I think both albums have a similar atmosphere, with ATTWT being a little darker. |
Wind & Wuthering was released in December of 1976 while ...And Then There Were Three was released in March of 1978. |
Well, a little more than a year, but less than a year and a half. You get the idea...
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