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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 14:36
^I'm a fundamentalist agnostic.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 14:22
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 and I said that as an atheist fundamentalist.


I know I will regret this, but sometimes I really cannot help myself.

So........

Do you know how bloody ridiculous this sounds?

Actually, do you realise just how religious this sounds?

How can you have a damned "atheist fundamentalist". This implies to me that there exist such strange creatures as atheist hereticsConfused

Dean, my dear chap. You there? Are you a lesser atheist than our mutual friend Mr Trot? Is there just a little bit of belief creeping into your otherwise pure atheistic thoughts? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 12:32
If the songwriter is expressing their opinion or mood, I'm fine with anything.  If he/she is trying to tell me what I have to do...whether it's religion/politics/baseball...I'm less likely to want to listen. 

Same with any discussion....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 12:15

In prog anything goes, it just better work. 

Before anyone classifies lyrics as “stupid” I think they should understand them first.   Metaphors and symbolisms should be unraveled before passing senseless judgment.

Is there a difference between religious and spiritual?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 12:04
Amusingly, a preponderance of posters over on the "Are lyrics important" thread claim that lyrics don't mean much to them.

So I guess it doesn't matter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 11:27
Well, since Prog is often about bringing together different musical styles and elements, one might argue that religion-themed lyrics would only be genuinely Proggy if they bring together elements from many different religions and not just from one. I can't think of any example though, religion seems to be a rather exclusive practice, "if it's mine, it can't be yours".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 11:10
^Didn't Type O Negative do that theme already?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 11:06
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Hoesntly I don't even really understand the question. Is there a committee that decides what goes in prog albums and what doesn't?
Exactly. As I said before, don't tell Prog musicians they can't do something, because they're sure to do it.

@SteveG, It hasn't been said explicitly, but I presume the the real intended question was whether Prog listeners would be willing to listen to Christian themes. Yes? No?
In that case it really depends on the lyric. The Christian faith includes a huge spectrum of people who all interpret the Bible in so many different ways. But as long as it's not something along the lines of "Don't masturbate or question the church or you will burn", it's fine with me.
Well, there goes my next song. Why do you have to ruin things, heathen? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 11:04
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

An artist is allowed to take the inspiration for lyrics from everything.


Ditto.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:59
pretty sure anything has a place in any kind of music as long as the lyricist wants to write about it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:57
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Everything has a place in prog music. If Jon Anderson gets away with the stupid lyrics he usually writes for his music, I don't see why other people can't write about anything they want, including religion. 

This.  At least so long as the music is not a vehicle to further a hateful and violent agenda.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:53
^ Ha!! Nice catch skeletor!! I knew he was "all in God" but did not know the term for that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:53
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

 
I don't think that has much to do with the artists as it does with the music industry.  Go to a record store- do you find sections for "Muslim music" or "Hindu music?"  Of course not.  

Perhaps that is the case in America.  But in India, there is certainly a separate category referred to as devotional music, which is basically songs in praise of God(s) and it's identified as such in record stores.  They may not specify HINDU devotional music but there's no need to as all the titles stocked by the stores in that category pertain to Hindu religious music.  And as far as I know, Christmas music is a distinct category over there and it's a bit difficult to argue that that has nothing to do AT ALL with Christianity because it is a Christian festival.  We do have Christmas holidays here because it's a sort of festive season and we treat ourselves to pastries and all that but we don't say any prayers because, all said and done, it's not OUR festival.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:48
Originally posted by musitron musitron wrote:

Does religion have a place in Prog music?

Yes if it is against ;o)


Says someone with an avatar representing a panentheistic singer.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:46
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Sorry but you lost me on that one.
Religion is the main cause of wars in this world. It's good to mention it in the songs once in a while.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:40
^ Sorry but you lost me on that one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:36

Does religion have a place in Prog music?

Yes if it is against ;o)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:36
To echo what others have said, does religion have a place in prog?  Yes, I'm pretty certain that the artist can write about what ever they want to, that's kind of the beauty of art, you can highlight your muse.  I think that's really the point of art in general.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 10:12
Of course! In the right sense anyway.

Just as religion/spirituality is a part of life in every culture (without exception), and thus mankind, it certainly should be included in music, but not in a Clericalistic way.

What I mean is I don't agree with music that's made for the secular sphere always having to center on sacred themes. For example, as a Catholic I think that the proper perspective for a Christian lay person would be that God's beauty can be found in the secular sphere as easily as the overtly sacred sphere (in churches and such) without necessarily even mentioning God himself.

That being said, I'd much rather listen to Jethro Tull and Yes sing about the beauty that can be found in secular life which comes from God than Neil Morse sing constantly explicitly sing about his Christian spirituality, especially since he is neither always in church or any kind of Cleric/Priest (except perhaps to some prog fans!! Tongue ).
The human heart instrinsically longs for that which is true, good, and beautiful. This is why timeless music is never without these qualities.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2014 at 09:24
Indeed. Just listen to classic era Jethro Tull and Genesis, and you'll find a lot of religious tones in their lyrics.
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