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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2004 at 19:54
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I think the point is about freedom. If you're against freedom, that's fine; history proves that most of the truly effective countries have extremely restrictive governments.

I'll continue to hold out for more freedom, even for things I don't care for. I don't own a gun (I probably couldn't legally purchase one anyway, but I haven't tried) and I hate the thought of killing animals for fun. So did my father, an avid hunter in his youth, who taught me from a young age how to operate and have respect for guns.

But when it comes down to having less freedom or more, it's a clear choice for me.

But where do you draw the line on what you should have the freedom to own? I mean is it right to own guns because the law says you can and repealing the law would reduce yet another freedom? In that case why not repeal other laws that restrict freedom.In fact why dont we just let everyone do whatever they want and let anarchy prevail. Donald Trump could afford to buy a nuke if he wanted.Why prevent him? I mean it only carries a danger if he decides to use it....




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2004 at 20:19

I guess you'll turn up here next James.

Goodnight!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2004 at 20:20

Because the 'gun control' vs. 'right to bear arms' debate is not about allowing more freedom, it's about taking it away. The 'safety of the public' argument has been used many times in history to restrict individual freedoms (as it is being used right now, in the Patriot Act farce). I'll throw back my usual response: why are we allowed to own and operate automobiles? They present a much bigger threat to the health and safety of the public.

However, if we were to start a discussion on 'should Trump have the A-bomb', I'd definitely be in your corner.

It's so much fun chasing RL around the forums. And we rarely get personal!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 00:27

Thanks James.. you explain it so much better..

However, Reed, you look at the idea of banning guns as a deterrent to people getting killed, but thats just not the case.  When really, we should be taking a better look at the mental states of those around us and taking our stands there. For instance, the people who worked with that guy who shot Dimebag last week, said he had been off his rocker for the last few months, talking to himself and acting very agitated.. and yet they did nothing to help him or contact anyone who could. 

It all reminds me of the PF song "On the Turning Away"... we've become so phobic on getting involved.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 03:45
...or even "Happiness is a Warm Gun"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 03:54

If only agreeing to differ would solve anything......but it doesnt.That is a cop out so all I can say is : you people are very dangerous!

Must be the lack of sleep! Where do you live James? I'm trying to work out the time diff.

I've been to bed and got up again whilst you lot have been performing keyboard-fellatio!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 04:24

I just came back on myself after wasting valuable time sending out my resume.

Really, one of these days I have to clear my schedule and give this forum the attention it deserves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 05:04
Bilden “http://www.countryjoe.com/guns.gif” kan inte visas, då den innehåller fel.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 07:26

Why not make guns free but instead, charge $100,000 for each bullet?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 13:43

Actually, that cartoon reminds me of a picture I saw a few years ago of Bobby Sands, the IRA prisoner who was starving himself in prison at that time.  It was a picture of his parents all lovey-dovey sitting on a bench with their arms around each other.. and a young Bobby of about 10 standing behind them with a rifle in his hands and a band on his left arm...

And you call us dangerous!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 13:58
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Actually, that cartoon reminds me of a picture I saw a few years ago of Bobby Sands, the IRA prisoner who was starving himself in prison at that time.  It was a picture of his parents all lovey-dovey sitting on a bench with their arms around each other.. and a young Bobby of about 10 standing behind them with a rifle in his hands and a band on his left arm...

And you call us dangerous!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:01
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Thanks James.. you explain it so much better..

However, Reed, you look at the idea of banning guns as a deterrent to people getting killed, but thats just not the case.  When really, we should be taking a better look at the mental states of those around us and taking our stands there. For instance, the people who worked with that guy who shot Dimebag last week, said he had been off his rocker for the last few months, talking to himself and acting very agitated.. and yet they did nothing to help him or contact anyone who could. 

It all reminds me of the PF song "On the Turning Away"... we've become so phobic on getting involved.

I am not contradicting you on the first part but to whom do we contact?  Most authorities don't care and would do little to step in and do anything until someone has committed a crime or put someone else or themselves in danger. Someone who is a bit emotionally unstable cannot be legally arrested for anything or forced to seek medical attention.  The more people exist automatically increases more unstable people.  The pressures of our Society also trigger a lot of stress and emotional instability.  Where do we draw the line?

 I agree that we do not need to unnecessarily give back rights so hard earned by the lives of many who went before us or because the rest of the world says it is the way to go. I have never owned a gun and probably never will but that does not mean I want my right or ability to own one taken away.

The reason for my feeling that way is once the Constitution is tampered with that way the rest of the right listed will fall. Just watch!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 14:28
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

I am not contradicting you on the first part but to whom do we contact?  Most authorities don't care and would do little to step in and do anything until someone has committed a crime or put someone else or themselves in danger. Someone who is a bit emotionally unstable cannot be legally arrested for anything or forced to seek medical attention. 

You can contact the police, who may not be able to arrest them, but they do put them on a watch list.  Hey, it couldn't hurt.  Also you can contact any free counseling clinic, his family, his friends, a church, the veteran's association sometimes have councelors that help in these type situations...

There is something you can do... you can even call the veterans assoc. for advice on what to do...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 16:32
It`s so much the guns, but some of the maniacs who get ther hands on them. Guns scare me. We are no longer living in the wild west.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2004 at 18:13

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

It`s so much the guns, but some of the maniacs who get ther hands on them. Guns scare me. We are no longer living in the wild west.

But not planes with guns?Confused




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2004 at 09:47

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

It`s so much the guns, but some of the maniacs who get ther hands on them. Guns scare me. We are no longer living in the wild west.

You've never been to Brooklyn, have you?? 

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