Thanks buddy, we are trying hard to be safe but you never know with missiles.
I was always against the settlements but Sharon already tried to be the big man and destroyed a few of them and taking the first step, that wasn't enough for the other side of course and nothing came out of it, thousands of people were evacuated from their homes for nothing!
You gotta make some compromises when you're aiming for peace but the Palestinians have never gave up on a single demand, they wanna win the jack pot or they'll burn you alive.

In the future, the superstate of Isralestine will gradually become a major player in the region with their integrated economy and military, for one of the great ironies in history.

Atavachron wrote: In the future, the superstate of Isralestine will gradually become a major player in the region with their integrated economy and military, for one of the great ironies in history.

Hallelujah!

sleeper wrote:   Biased much?

I read that book Currency Wars that's not even officially translated into English was never published in the US and certainly will never be. Americans must remain ignorants and feed the system. 

 

LSDisease wrote: sleeper wrote:   Biased much? I read that book Currency Wars that's not even officially translated into English was never published in the US and certainly will never be. Americans must remain ignorants and feed the system.

   You read the book or you read that it's not in English?

If you mean the James Rickards book, of course it's available in the U.S., and published in English by Penguin, a British publisher.   Take thirty seconds and do a little research before you bash a people.

Ah, the one that says Jews secretly caused the Battle of Waterloo and the Kennedy Assassination.  Gotcha.  Now we're talkin', and how timely.

This is getting a tad too absurd for me...

^^ Granted Dave, but there are also some historical facts that you cannot simply ignore and are beyond a blaming game. It would be nice if we could develop our arguments based on those.

I tend to side with the under dog and that is not Israel.  Who has who boxed in here?  Who has all the superior weaponry?  Who has the love of Fox "News" ???


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 27 2014 at 09:35

^ Well it seems you got the situation figuered out now didn't you?

Gerinski wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: This is getting a tad too absurd for me... I'm not going to participate in this discussion simply because I have no personal reference points. I don't expect most other commenting on this issue have either, yet they're willing to discuss one of the most intricate and convoluted stand-stills of the world.  I would have more respect for North Irish folks chiming in as they, to some extend, understands the turmoil and heartache of terrorism - as would I for peeps living in Sri Lanka.  I very much doubt the capacity of 'normal' people from The US, France, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium or any other moderately peaceful country to comprehend the full picture of what is going on in Gaza at the moment. It is so easy for us to point fingers at something we find despicable and inhuman, yet we fail to realise that it is happening in a world which is faaaaaaar removed from the ones we occupy in our daily life. Just for the record: I'm not on anyone's side except for the one of peace....and I have friends on both sides of this terrible conflict. I agree, very few of us if any can comprehend what is going on there (me surely not being one of them), as you rightly say "one of the most intricate and convoluted stand-stills of the world". And I do not want to mess with such a hyper-sensitive subject. I want to say something though, even if it may upset buddy Sagi for whom I have all respect and I wish peace and the best. Palestine and Israel fight each other, I guess we will not argue on that, Palestinians attack on Israelis and occupation of the other party's land is also a non-violent form of hostility, let's face it. By now the argument whether what is "attack'" or what is "response" or "revenge" is long dead, you can not say anymore, they are all "revenge" in my eyes. Israel has an army (and a strong one), Palestine does not. I am not sure why bombing by one person is considered terrorism and bombing with a plane is fine. Palestinians do not have an army so the only way they have to fight is the terrorist way. The only important thing is stopping the fight!

I think what lacks here is a fundamental understanding of what Hamas's goals are, what are their day to day activities and how they think is the best way of achieving their freedom.
Israel's main goal is to survive while surrounded by Arab countries. The army doesn't plan or issue attacks on civilians, I mean come on do you think Israel has any trouble of bombing the whole Gaza strip leaving it without a trace? so why doesn't the army just do it and save himself the casualties in an on going war?
And what do you think would have happen if Hamas had the opportunity or the means to wipe out Israel? I assure you they would push the button.
I'm not sure how much you read this thread but I already explained why the palestinians has so many civilians casualties. If you want to address this situation taking into consideration only the bottom line, which is 10 times more casualties over at the palestinian side then it's up to you, but you're missing a lot.

Do you want normal life for your people? negotiate. Negotiate as long as it takes because the other side has rights even if you don't acknowledge his existence. Yes it may take years and you don't have to agree on the whole package but do it step by step and your people will have a better chance for normal life. But don't attack me or my people, because I can punch back harder.

I never saw a conflict that was settled by violence, this will not be any different.


Edited by Sagichim - July 27 2014 at 10:38