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Dellinger
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 22:56 |
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I saw them last year... or perhaps the year before. I thought it was an enjoyable show, and if you haven't seen them in their glory days (such as I ) then this is better than nothing, I guess. Many people have praised Jon Davison for doing an excellent job, still I felt like he was just a bit short of achieving Anderson's greatness... but then again, I'm not sure Anderson himself would be able to achieve it this days. As for Geoff Downes, I feel he also fell short of Wakeman's virtuosity. I also got to see Yes with Benoit and Oliver Wakeman. As far as Benoit, I guess Davison is actually a better vocalist for the band, though I felt Benoit was a bit closer to achiving the high notes Anderson could sing, while I feel Davison has a more beautiful and special voice, plus I guess he knew his limits better and didn't try to go higher than he would sound well (plus, Davison's stage presence is much better than Benoit's). Between Oliver and Geoff, Downes is definitley the more experienced player, and more of a showman, but as far as I remember, I kind of liked better the way Oliver played, I wish they hadn't kicked him out in favor of Downes.
Now, about "Fly from Here", I actually liked the album well enough. Not among their best 70's works, nor as proggy as I would have liked it, but it is very enjoyable and has some really beautiful moments. I feel Benoit's voice shined much better on this album than trying to imitate Anderson, there were some vocal parts I really found beautiful. About the songs, the ones I liked the most, by far, were the ones from the "Fly from Here" suite, though I would hardly dare call it a single epic song, for there are 3 very notably different songs without much in common, plus an intro (or overture), an outro (or grand finale), and a bridge before the outro that didn't really do much for me... however, those 3 songs were really beautiful (specially Sad Night at the Airfield). Also the last song was really great, even if it might at times feel like they are mocking their 70's glory days and Anderson's influence. The rest of the songs are actually kind of forgetable, but those 4 songs are enough to make the album worth having. | Thanks Dellinger for your comments,it will be helpful.I'm also sad to be too young to see them at their peak but I think it will be a good show. |
I saw Yes for the first time 22 September, 1972 - CTTE tour! I'm sorry Bruf wasn't drumming, but the band was outstanding! Back to matters at hand - I could have seen Yes with Ollie and Benoit, and I agree with D's observations and thoughts. Ollie's presence in the band excited me, as I was hoping for an evolution of Yes to a new generation of musicians who would be able to carry the band's vision into the future. However, the vision of Squire and Howe seems to be to milk the thing for all they can, so I stayed away from those shows, not wishing to sully my memories. I find that YouTube is full of good representations of these latest generations. Davison is very good, from the bits I've seen on YouTube, and I think this will be a very well-polished and enjoyable show, better than the Benoit David era. He's not JA, but no one is. I'm willing to bet that the new material with Davison will be quite good, and I'm hoping Billy Sherwood will replace Squire someday. My friend took this at a "Relayer" show we saw in Chicago, I saw that tour twice. There was no band as amazing as Yes when they were young and in their prime!
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I have hardly enjoyed what Sherwood has done with Yes and Squire... and his other projects. His writing seems uninspired (though sometimes a bit enjoyable, but nothing worthy of the legendary satus of Yes), and his vocal melodies can get very tiresome, (for they all sound the same)... I mean, come on, he even managed to make Annie Haslam sound terribly bad and generic on his Prog Collective album. A few weeks ago I checked out a few Circa's songs, though, and I thought it sounded a bit better than what I've heard from him before, I might try to give it a try (though it's kind of difficult to get those albums, being they are only available through their own website, and once I tried to make an account with them and they asked to fill more information than I was willing to give). However, the thing is, I actually liked his bass playing a lot on those songs from Circa, and I guess he would sound very nice taking Squire's place, as long as he stays clear from songwriting... and specially from the vocal melodies parts (which I truly doubt he would be willing to do).
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Posted: March 30 2014 at 23:37 |
^Thanks, Dellinger! My thoughts about Billy Sherwood track yours closely. I've liked what little of Circa that I've heard, but I'm not impressed with the Squire/Sherwood project "Conspiracy."
However, he is a legit former Yes-man, so if he were to have a shot at bassist, I'd be fine with that.
Guitarists who could succeed Howe are out there, I wonder who would make sense? I've seen video of John Patrucci and Steve Howe together onstage, and JP ran rings around SH!
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 04:36 |
I saw them in Brazil last year, can say that I liked it a lot. But, of course, given that I've never saw them live before, it may be product of a overreaction. Anyway, these old geezers played Yes Album, CTTE and GFTO in perfect shape, almost like if they were dubbing the records in stage. I don't know what kind of setlist they're playing right now but I must say that I saw my near perfect live Yes setlist (would only trade GFTO for Relayer). My criticism goes to Alan White drumming, it sounded very weak to me, not in terms of technique but in terms of excitement. The rest of the band was on fire, Steve Howe was visibly enjoying the whole thing, only White seemed a little tired. Anyway, it was one of the best concerts of my life, only second to The Wall in 2012.
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 07:57 |
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My criticism goes to Alan White drumming, it sounded very weak to me, not in terms of technique but in terms of excitement. The rest of the band was on fire, Steve Howe was visibly enjoying the whole thing, only White seemed a little tired. |
I thought White was very subdued on the last album. It'll be interesting to hear what he's like on the tour.
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 11:21 |
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My criticism goes to Alan White drumming, it sounded very weak to me, not in terms of technique but in terms of excitement. The rest of the band was on fire, Steve Howe was visibly enjoying the whole thing, only White seemed a little tired. |
I thought White was very subdued on the last album. It'll be interesting to hear what he's like on the tour. |
For the life of me, I don't know why the founding members don't cultivate "understudies" who will eventually take their places, keeping the Yes franchise going into the future. Various members have discussed a "future times" Yes in interviews.
Drumming is a rough sport.....Bill Bruford is completely retired, and White may not be far behind. It is possible to play guitar into the 80's (I saw Andres Segovia a few years before he passed, he was like a balding, gray Robert Fripp with a classical guitar!!).
I'm still not at all impressed with Downes on keys, but he can handle anything from the Yes album I'm sure. Ollie was the type of person I had hoped would remain in Yes.
As far as vocals, they could be more creative & bring on a young woman. Annie Haslam and Christina Booth both have shown how lovely Yes' music is with a female voice, and Glass Hammer is 'way out in front by bringing in ladies on their CDs. Dragging out tribute band singers & sound-alikes is just so "been there, done that" in rock.
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 11:50 |
I cringe at the term "Yes franchise".
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 11:55 |
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 22:43 |
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^Thanks, Dellinger! My thoughts about Billy Sherwood track yours closely. I've liked what little of Circa that I've heard, but I'm not impressed with the Squire/Sherwood project "Conspiracy." However, he is a legit former Yes-man, so if he were to have a shot at bassist, I'd be fine with that. Guitarists who could succeed Howe are out there, I wonder who would make sense? I've seen video of John Patrucci and Steve Howe together onstage, and JP ran rings around SH! |
Yeah, I guess Petrucci would have the chops to replace Howe, but I don't think he would be interested, since DT itself is big enough. Plus, I don't think he has the inclination to play acoustic guitar, which would be important for me in a Yes guitar player. As a matter of fact, I would think anyone from Dream Theater would have the chops to take his place within Yes, except perhaps LaBrie, but that's more a matter of taste on my part than his singing ability. However, the one Dream Theater member that I think would fit perfectly with Yes is Jordan Rudess... and now he is up to playing with Jon Anderson (though I hope not in the DT stile, but more like what he did in Grace for Drowning).
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Posted: April 02 2014 at 22:46 |
Matheusms wrote:
I saw them in Brazil last year, can say that I liked it a lot. But, of course, given that I've never saw them live before, it may be product of a overreaction. Anyway, these old geezers played Yes Album, CTTE and GFTO in perfect shape, almost like if they were dubbing the records in stage. I don't know what kind of setlist they're playing right now but I must say that I saw my near perfect live Yes setlist (would only trade GFTO for Relayer). My criticism goes to Alan White drumming, it sounded very weak to me, not in terms of technique but in terms of excitement. The rest of the band was on fire, Steve Howe was visibly enjoying the whole thing, only White seemed a little tired. Anyway, it was one of the best concerts of my life, only second to The Wall in 2012.
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For their next tour, it seems they will be playing the whole Fragile and Close to the Edge, plus some other highlights and some songs from the new album.
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Posted: April 03 2014 at 00:29 |
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Sorry, poor choice of words!
More like the London Symphony Orchestra, founded in 1904 and going strong. No reason that a rock band cannot do something similar, as long as they stay true to the spiritual roots of the founding members.
And that would be a problem....I think many fans are attracted to both the lyrical mysticism of Jon Anderson, and the technical brilliance of the others. Without Anderson, it is a rather empty exercise, although many bands have been able to progress and evolve with their lyrics. King Crimson and Genesis both did this successfully.
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 16:09 |
Yes haven't exactly stayed true to their own roots. I side with the arguement that says they should do one last grand tour with everyone involved, and call it a day.
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 20:46 |
cstack3 wrote:
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Sorry, poor choice of words!
More like the London Symphony Orchestra, founded in 1904 and going strong. No reason that a rock band cannot do something similar, as long as they stay true to the spiritual roots of the founding members.
And that would be a problem....I think many fans are attracted to both the lyrical mysticism of Jon Anderson, and the technical brilliance of the others. Without Anderson, it is a rather empty exercise, although many bands have been able to progress and evolve with their lyrics. King Crimson and Genesis both did this successfully. |
I cringe as well. As someone said a few years ago, Yes has become their own tribute band.
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Posted: April 07 2014 at 21:47 |
As painful as it is, it was Bruford who said Yes is now their own trubute band.
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