Was prog actually popular in the 70s??

proggman wrote: [QUOTE=StaaViinsZ] But I guess what I'm saying is, for me, right now, thinking of anything all that great before 1980 (before 1981, really), is impossible. StaaVi

The crucial word here is "thinking". The second crucial term is "for me". This is important because this makes the above close to an opinion, which is ok. It is not just an opinion once the "me" bit is absent. Then it becomes a judgment which requires objective justification. I always look forward to this on  a music site.

Well, anyway, if you attempt thought (now, or later) the bucket load will happen...  actually the bucket loads happen whether you, or I or anyone thinks, or not.

There are times I wonder what prog - or even normal - music listeners (such as we are) expect. 

StaaViinsZ wrote: Dean wrote: Nope. Song-length is not a dictum of Prog. Power Metal is Power Metal, Prog Metal is Prog Metal. I've seen Gamma Ray live and they are Power Metal. Okay, first of all, it's incredibly awesome that you've actually seen Gamma Ray live. Once I get past the silver haze that fills my eyes after hearing that a woman (?) saw Gamma Ray, which basically totally rips my judgment and makes me think you're the most beautiful thing in the world, I actually have a few comments.

Edited by Dean - March 07 2014 at 03:07

chopper wrote: Dean wrote: If you were slightly more knowledgeable on 80s music you may have recognised the lady in my avatar, if you were more savy on Progressive Rock you may even know her relationship to Prog. I have used several images of females as my avatar, none of them were me.   You mean you're not actually Toyah?

Bugger. There was me about to post a completely spurious response about how Dean, being a software engineer, chose this avatar because of his admiration for the person who invented the LISP programming language. Another flimsy gag opportunity bites the dust

Dean wrote:

 Where are you getting these emoticons?

uduwudo wrote: The crucial word here is "thinking". The second crucial term is "for me". This is important because this makes the above close to an opinion, which is ok. It is not just an opinion once the "me" bit is absent. Then it becomes a judgment which requires objective justification. I always look forward to this on  a music site. Well, anyway, if you attempt thought (now, or later) the bucket load will happen...  actually the bucket loads happen whether you, or I or anyone thinks, or not. There are times I wonder what prog - or even normal - music listeners (such as we are) expect.

As much I really wanted to say that no good music exists before the 80's, I knew that, by some definitions, there IS good music that came out in the years of 1970-1979. I just couldn't bring myself to call out everything that people may like before 1980 as crap, even though, believe me, I wanted to.

    It's a strange cycle of close-mindedness. I like nothing but Metal, and sub-genres thereof, really, so my natural instinct is to say everything else is lousy. However, just because I DON'T LIKE IT doesn't mean it's lousy.
The only real DEFINITION of lousy music would be something that was played wrong or out-of-tune, by a "Bad musician" (Meaning un-practiced or un-skillful, in the "cannot play" severity). So therefor, no music really is "Bad" music, it is all simply appealing to different people.

I grew up with a Dad that said:

"All music is good music; I just like some more than others."

However, when he was my age, there are stories about him picking on his younger sister that loved Disco, something like this:

"Hey, guess what, to go to the collage football game, we're all gonna bring DISCO records"

"Yay!"

 "Know why?"

"No..."

"So we can BURN 'EM!"

So, all of this leads to a strange complex in my mind, where I want to be close-minded yet somehow can't fully bring myself to deny other music as being good, just not good to me.

Plus, the older I get, the more music I like.

And, as much as I try to block it out (And I do, believe me), and I don't WANT to like it, I can't help but semi-enjoy a little Country or Disco now and then when other people play it. I want to say I HATE it, but lets be honest, those weird funky bouncy Disco tunes can only be denied what they aren't; but what they are is a bouncy, fun, catchy tune.

I'm not saying recommend me Disco records or Country artists-- PLEASE DO NOT-- but I am saying that when other people play them, if I was willing to try to like them, they aren't THAT BAD.
The only negative impact is coming from the mental block inside my head.

That said, though, I truly do enjoy most types of Metal and have no problems whatsoever with that.

So you see, as much as I may not WANT to like them-- as much as I want some music to produce a very negative impact upon my brain-- sometimes, it's all me, not the music. And as much as I can have my own opinion and deny other forms of music besides what I like, lets face it, the only music that it really bad music, is music played by a 3-year-old on a out-of-tune acoustic guitar. And maybe Avant Garde. Some of that trash can get pretty chaotic.
But of course Avant Garde still has structure-- but I certainly can't see why it would sound PLEASANT to anyone.

But if ask me what I like-- I will say that I HATE DISCO & COUNTRY.
Why? Because I DON'T WANT TO LIKE THEM.

Chris S wrote: Nothing......it's all an illusion anyways. To each their own individual reality. For those of us around in the 70's this StaaViinsZ comments reveal so much

^It's odd how much sense the above quoted comment makes without actually making sense.
But what does it reveal exactly? That People have different musical "Realities" or Perspectives, especially if they're born after 1995? Can't help but feeling like Chris S has perplexed us all with his Yin-Yang cryptic knowledge. Well, maybe mostly me, but still...
Oddly enough, "Mr. S." seems to have known that his comment was cryptic, with his actual use of the Yin-Yang symbol, which further adds to the oddness of his post.

StaaVi



Edited by StaaViinsZ - March 07 2014 at 15:13

Dean wrote: Polymorphia wrote: Dean wrote:   <font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="line-height: normal; : rgb248, 248, 252;"></span>  Where are you getting these emoticons? ebay

How much? How Much? I want one, I want one!

Guldbamsen wrote: Stavikinky: can we please get back on topic - that is if you're finished with trying to impress us with your witty banter? Truth be told, I have never seen anyone on here using so many words to express.....erm....yeah that's kind of the point really. There is a thread title for a reason. This is not open mic night.

But so many people are still talking, Mom...

Well, I'll consider it, but do me a favor, if we're going to just cease everything off topic all at once, transfer all of the posts relevant to mine along with mine to a thread of it's own, so that this conversation, if there is one, can finish itself properly.

So this means it is witty-- just bantery?



Edited by StaaViinsZ - March 07 2014 at 21:05

yes, of course, prog was popular in the 70s. that's when prog really happened and took off.

Edited by Gryphon - March 08 2014 at 21:05

1976: YES plays JFK Stadium to an audience of 100,000.