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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2014 at 10:55
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Thanks Dayvenkirq. Yeah I'm currently in my final year at Leeds College of Music in England (Jazz course). Haiku is a tune I wrote for my trio (soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band). I've been getting into Free Jazz quite a bit lately. It fascinates me on a level that it almost completely demolishes the boundary between composer and performer. Are you into that kind of stuff?
I haven't heard a lot of stuff from that jazz branch, though I do find some interesting ideas from Pharoah Sanders. 

So far jazz has never resonated with me (except the "In A Silent Way" composition) or sounded fun to me (unless I'm listening to McCoy Tyner), though I am trying to get into old school jazz (modal and avant-garde jazz in particular).


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Thanks Dayvenkirq. Yeah I'm currently in my final year at Leeds College of Music in England (Jazz course). Haiku is a tune I wrote for my trio (soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band). I've been getting into Free Jazz quite a bit lately. It fascinates me on a level that it almost completely demolishes the boundary between composer and performer. Are you into that kind of stuff?
I haven't heard a lot of stuff from that jazz branch, though I do find some interesting ideas from Pharoah Sanders. 

So far jazz has never resonated with me (except the "In A Silent Way" composition) or sounded fun to me (unless I'm listening to McCoy Tyner), though I am trying to get into old school jazz (modal and avant-garde jazz in particular).


Pharaoh Sanders is wonderful, I'm a big fan (Sun Ra as well). I haven't checked out IASW yet, although I've heard good things.



This is my band in a rehearsal. It's pretty proggy so you may enjoy it!
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 02:20
^ It's like as if Billy Cobham replaced Robert Wyatt on the drummer's stool. Having fun with 15 + 17. Nice. Clap Thumbs Up
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2014 at 04:06
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ It's like as if Billy Cobham replaced Robert Wyatt on the drummer's stool. Having fun with 15 + 17. Nice. Clap Thumbs Up


Looking back I might have made the second sequence a bit too hard It's 7 13/16 measures + a 12/16 measure, with 5 5/16 hits over the last two measures of each sequence (13+12 = 25 so it all adds up). Absolute nightmare to rehearse! Cheers for the applause though man!
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isn't finally making a song you've had in your head for years the greatest feeling ever
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^ If the song is decent, ... then no. There must be a better feel.

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New EP I think is pretty cool
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Something I wrote the other day.


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^ Good job as always. I bet, though, that the piece could benefit from significant change in pace and dynamics, but it's up to the author.
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Points: 8856 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 22:36
^I agree. It's definitely a charming piece, but it gets a bit stale later on. Maybe some rhythmic variation would help.
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Cheers guys It's still primitive at the moment, but it's meant to be performed with a quartet so I intend the rhythmic and dynamic changes to come in the improvised section.
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^ Maybe. If you like all of the ideas in the piece, keep them, but you might want to break them apart with something else.

Can't finish my material as my direction keeps changing. I realize my limitations as time passes by. I can only get on an acoustic guitar and a piano, and I think that for a while I will stick with lyric-oriented writing approach. Once I see some sort of improvement in the lyric-writing department, then I will understand the role music should play in the work. I might have to stick with a cappella and classical crossover or folk-based songs. Then the problem will be creating a body of work that has a certain stylistic identity, not schizophrenia. Can't have a melting pot of sounds that do not work organically in music.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Maybe. If you like all of the ideas in the piece, keep them, but you might want to break them apart with something else.

Can't finish my material as my direction keeps changing. I realize my limitations as time passes by. I can only get on an acoustic guitar and a piano, and I think that for a while I will stick with lyric-oriented writing approach. Once I see some sort of improvement in the lyric-writing department, then I will understand the role music should play in the work. I might have to stick with a cappella and classical crossover or folk-based songs. Then the problem will be creating a body of work that has an identity, not schizophrenia.


Yeah man, I'll see how it evolves when the band play it. You know what music is like, it constantly changes! No doubt I'll get bored of how it's sounding in a couple of weeks and change a few things I'll keep you all posted!

Regarding composition, I don't think there is a fixed way to start. I suppose it's whatever you feel most comfortable with. For me it's rhythm, then melody then harmony in that order, but it differs with everyone. Keep at it man, I want to hear some of your stuff!
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 22:51
Here is the lead sheet if anyone is interested.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Maybe. If you like all of the ideas in the piece, keep them, but you might want to break them apart with something else.

Can't finish my material as my direction keeps changing. I realize my limitations as time passes by. I can only get on an acoustic guitar and a piano, and I think that for a while I will stick with lyric-oriented writing approach. Once I see some sort of improvement in the lyric-writing department, then I will understand the role music should play in the work. I might have to stick with a cappella and classical crossover or folk-based songs. Then the problem will be creating a body of work that has a certain stylistic identity, not schizophrenia. Can't have a melting pot of sounds that do not work organically in music.
I usually start with an idea and change it, put it in different settings until I find something I really like arrangement, melody, and all. From that musical "moment" I build my song. But, obviously, as you can see, that's a slow process. Musically, I have a set of songs that are very close to finished, but lyrically it's slow going. Lyric writing has gotten slightly easier than it was, though. I just had to change my approach somewhat. 

David Byrne actually gave a neat insight into his lyric-writing process in an interview and it's helped me a lot. Basically, he just sings whatever lines come to mind whether they make any sense or not. The ones that seem to stick, he keeps singing, and he doesn't try to make sense of them, or change them to make sense, but lets the meaning come to him, the relationships between the lines develop. May not work for everyone (a lot of people write more linearly both musically and lyrically and do it quite well), but I tend to benefit from a holistic form of writing like that, and thought I would throw this out there for whoever wants to try it.
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 13:13
^ I'm sure he picked it up from Eno but I may be wrong. Kind of close to what the Bee Gees used to do, only Barry somehow would be able to come up with a melody without relying on any actual words but instead using singalong conjunctions like "la", "hoo", "ha". Check out the Heads' unfinished take of "Dancing for Money", where Byrne actually just mumbles instead of singing. And it appears that both Byrne and Brothers Gibb would use a title and build a song around it.
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Keep at it man, I want to hear some of your stuff!
Oh, ... I'm not promising anything progressive, by the way. Stern Smile Wink

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Keep at it man, I want to hear some of your stuff!
Oh, ... I'm not promising anything progressive, by the way. Stern Smile Wink


Music is music mate!
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^couldn't have said it better
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I know I'm flooding this thread with my stuff (sorry!) but here's a clip of my band earlier today... Let me know what you think!
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^ Any amount is appropriate ... at least to keep this thread alive.

Nice drum work, by the way. Thumbs Up The drums are much louder than the piano, and I can't hear the bass player, unless (1) for some reason it's supposed to be that way or (2) has to do with the fact that I got a new laptop that seems to compress all the peaks of dynamics/volume (which I personally found very irritating).


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