PA Songwriters'/Composers' Association
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Topic: PA Songwriters'/Composers' Association
Posted By: Polymorphia
Subject: PA Songwriters'/Composers' Association
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 11:33
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This is a place for songwriters and composers to share their works, advice, criticism, exercises, etc. to hone their skills for whatever they wanna do with their music. |
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 13:48
A while ago I was thinking about starting a thread called PA Musicians' Collective Journal where we all could ramble on about what we're up to and pat each other on the backs. This seems like at least somewhat close to the same idea, thanks  From time to time I've been thinking about pressing a small number of CDs of my album (burning the music myself to pre-printed CDrs, probably), and as I've lately been doing a bit of remixing to the material, I guess I'll wait until the mix is done and then I'll get on with it. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to them, I've been thinking around 20 copies at first, there might be a possibility that I could get rid of that amount. So what do you do? ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:06
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Well, I have the problem of starting a lot of projects but finishing very few. I'm also very perfectionist about my work, so the things I do finish take a while. Right now, I have a psychedelic indie folk-rock band, "King Stevens," of which I am a primary songwriter, guitarist, vocalist, and keyboardist, and which I will introduce to PA when we finally get some presentable recordings. I am in two other groups, both untitled at the moment. One is a psychedelic crossover-prog goth rock type thing, and the other is a more democratic minimalist post-punk group. Both are far from having anything to show. On my own, I do a variety of different things. I've written orchestral music, chamber music, electronic, prog rock, jazz, avant-garde, but I think I've just recently found my niche. It's hard to describe, so I won't try. I realize I'm not giving you a lot, but I really don't have any recordings I'm willing to show anyone, just yet. I have a few electronic recordings in the vault, which I can pull out if anyone's curious, but, otherwise, I've not yet done anything substantial. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:26
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My method for making music is playing stuff until it sounds good, then mixing/remixing/completely destroying it on my computer. If anyone's interested, my music is in my signature. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:37
Here's http://www.amazon.com/Humdrum-The-Cacophony-Light/dp/B00B79WNZS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1377372914&sr=8-2&keywords=cacophony+of+light" rel="nofollow - one of mine produced using CreateSpace.
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Pekka wrote:Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:47
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I do things
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 14:59
We all know about you, smart  Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!
Some nice stuff you got there, Luna. There's a strong noise/ambient scene on PA. I like that a lot. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:07
xD yeah, I have a habit of releasing a lot of stuff. Which was the last one you checked out? ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:21
The second one  |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 15:59
Yay, another plugging opportunity!  Three of my compositions are here... http://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:23
Man, that one seems like such a long time ago! I suggest Going to the Pet Store, Big Foot Business Casual, I Went on Vacation EP, and For my Grandpa ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:51
Just listened to some of Pet Store today. I like the general concept of what you do. I think, though, maybe some stereo mixing might help it along quite a bit (to give it more sonic depth), as well as letting the songs have a bit more time to sit. These seem like sketches for something bigger, and I would make those recordings first, listen to them, making notes of where things should go, what things should sound like. Try making some Penderecki-style scores (symbols representing sounds) to put it in a more malleable form. I am no stranger to avant-garde, but the best of it is very focused (aesthetically, not necessarily stylistically) even if it isn't serious. Coltrane, Webern, Cage, Merzbow, the Residents... a lot of them latch on to a particular quality and aim to communicate that quality through their music. There is spontaneity in their music, but there also is revision and refining. Think hard about the product you are creating and be specific. What you do isn't bad at all, it just needs a bit of focus. Just my thoughts. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 16:52
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There's plenty of stereo mixing on Pet Store
------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:05
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There is a little bit, but not effective stereo mixing, in my opinion. Think "Dogs" by Pink Floyd: The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:13
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You've got a point. But I have been and still am getting much more creative with my mixing. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with a more mono-ish approach to mixing ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:13
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:24
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 17:28
I assume you've also heard http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu which colorofmoney91, Vompatti, and I play in.Though personally, I'm trying to find the right balance between abstract/noise/ambient music, and actual compositions. My goal is to make my music emulate several styles while sounding cohesive. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:24
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I'm one of three songwriters in a rock band called Rare Goat. We've been together 9 years, but only got serious about developing original material in the last two years or so. We're nearly finished recording our first album of all original material. I'm pretty pumped about it. 20 years ago or so, I also wrote and recorded an 11 song EP by myself under the name of Blasphart. It was a hardcore punk thing heavily influenced by Dead Kennedys and Saccharine Trust. I revived one of those songs for the upcoming Rare Goat album. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:33
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Rare Goat is bitchin, Blasphart is pretty good, too
------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:54
aww thanks  ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 19:00
| I really like the Blasphart song on Reverbnation, and Rare Goat does as competent covers as covers can get, but I really want to hear those Rare Goat originals! I suppose I have no room to talk, though. I haven't posted anything yet. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 20:54
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Oh wow, I forgot about that song on ReverbNation.
 . glad you liked it though!Here's an early mix of a new Rare Goat song I did, called "Holocaust Walnut Bowl" https://soundcloud.com/robeysteve/hwb-rare-goat-new-mix-081413" rel="nofollow - H W B And I've got this on my Soundcloud too, another Blasphart song from '93 you might like: https://soundcloud.com/robeysteve/bob-waterbucket-by-blasphart" rel="nofollow - BOB WATERBUCKET I appreciate the interest in my stuff, when I have more time I'd like to comment on the other stuff already posted in this thread earlier today, lots of talented people around here. I've already heard a good bit of Luna and Smarty's stuff, though I want to hear more. I'm a fan of Hanashukketsu (Vomps, Alan, Cam) as well. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 24 2013 at 22:54
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I like the Rare Goat song a lot. There were a lot of interesting elements, and, overall, it was pretty satisfying. I'd have liked a simpler drum approach, though. The other Blasphart song was good too. ALSO: I should have some King Stevens rehearsal demos to show soon. I'm kind of anxious to get this stuff out there. Me and my brother have written hundreds of songs for the project over a period of three years, but it will be a long time before we're in the financial position to record a full studio album. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:22
In case if you haven't read this before, I'm OK when writing short instrumental pieces for the classical guitar, but when it comes to songwriting, ... yuck. And when it comes to criticism, oh boy, ... . I've written and discarded a slew of crappy songs, which naturally was effortless, and the writing experience was awful. So far my biggest problem is fighting the laziness, picking up the guitar, and writing songs around some of the tunes I already have, or recording that one song that I've written (though the lyrics need more work). I'm just drained of inspiration.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:30
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Yup, the thing that takes the longest for me is actually building up the motivation and willpower to make anything at all. I've got ideas and I write them down, but I can go weeks or months without touching an instrument at all. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:41
| ^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something. Inspiration may be a large part of the story. The excessive amount of material stored on my laptop and my iPhone may also have something to do with that. The delicious material ... it's not right in front of me; I just have to pull up numerous directories and sift through the trivial (which is code for "short, experimental, over-the-top, nonsensical material that doesn't work") tracks, look for hot stuff that I should have brought up on my desktop in the first place. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:47
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I can't help composing and recording, it's a habit I couldn't get out of if I tried
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:54
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:55
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:09
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:13
Not really what I meant. It was more "I can record music for people who want me to, but I have no motivation whatsoever and as a result cannot make music frequently". ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:14
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^ Oh ... . Well, whatever pleases your heart.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 02:36
There's at least one company in Finland that I know of who make professional cases (digipak or jewelcase, I haven't decided yet, and they have a mass of other options as well) and very good looking blank CDrs. They could also press the whole thing start to finish, but yeah, the quantity might be an issue there, and for such a small number it's ok for me to burn it myself if the rest of the package is fine. The problem I have is the artwork, because the original cover photo was taken on a pretty crappy camera that looks fine on a screen, but pretty muddy when printed. If all else fails, I guess I'll have to go on a hike and re-shoot it or have somebody paint it. I might take a look at Createspace anyway, thanks for the suggestion. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 07:49
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 12:30
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 12:54
I'm in a similar boat to Smarts here. I write everyday, not even out of discipline, but out of habit. I didn't start writing every day until I picked up guitar. I didn't know any songs, but I knew chords, and so I just played sequences of chords everyday. It sort of grew from there. Lyrics have been more of a discipline thing for me. I still don't write lyrics everyday, but I write a lot more frequently than I used to. You just have to start. Write down any ideas at the risk of sounding stupid. Revise them. Think of interesting ways to use them. Anyways, I do have trouble finishing things, because I'm very picky, particularly about my own music. I end up pulling my hair out trying to get the right sound, the right form, to communicate what I want to communicate. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:00
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Sure, I don't pick up my guitar or saxophone when I'm "inspired" to do so, but when I force myself. My problem is that although I'd love to make a habit out of it, I simply can't. And this isn't only a music problem, I have the same issue with pretty much everything that I try. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:42
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I have the same problem with lyrics. The habit does start with some kind of discipline, but you can start small. A teacher of mine once told me to compose a measure a day and only a measure a day. Try write three or four notes or sounds or what have you. Don't try to write it all in one sitting. It doesn't even have to be good, either. The important thing is that you're doing it. There are some composers who can't write anything more than a measure or two on any given day. It's okay to be a little bit lazy and work slow or small. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 14:06
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When it comes to art and music, I find my creativity is most efficient when I begin more or less at random, just picking a cool song title and a bunch of lyrics that just sound good, never mind what they mean, and as I'm writing, I'll sometimes hear the tune in my head. After I've gotten it started, I look at it, and think, "this looks like it's a song about ______ ." And then I'll continue from there, with that figure in mind. It's similar to how I draw (and I'm no sketch artist, don't get me wrong), I'll just doodle a bit, then look at it and say "hey, that looks like a dragon". And then I'll fill in the bits that don't yet look like a dragon. It's probably a load of bullsh*t, but this approach has actually has probably yielded the quickest AND the best work I've done. Any time I begin work with a set topic in mind ("I think I'll write a song about my political views!" thpppppp) it nearly always comes off stilted. MANAGED RANDOMNESS is the way to go for me.
I am not prolific at all when it comes to writing, though. I could probably do well to practice it more, so maybe some of that random inspiration will become more under my direct control rather than a chance happening. It also helps that I'm not really aiming at composing anything complex. I'll usually start with simplicity and then decorate it with weird stuff later.
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 14:18
Ah McCoy... One of my heroes But yeah man, I'll bear that in mind. It's only a demo really though, an EP version of Mosaic should be coming soon at the end of November... ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 25 2013 at 16:20
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i meak muzik 2 Also, really looking forward to the upcoming Rare Goat! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 21:54
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Posted By: N-sz
Date Posted: August 26 2013 at 23:32
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I have a 36-or-so minute album with four tracks written since last year. I've recorded everything I can play (the guitar, bass, keys, drums), so now I'm hoping I can find people to donate their time to play other instruments. I recorded all the wind, brass, and string parts with an organ, but that's hopefully just temporary because I'd like to get actual violinists/ saxophonists/ flautists/ etc. Getting other people to play on the recording will probably be more difficult than I think. It's mostly instrumental, but I have some vocal parts and no lyrics which is really going to hold me back if I can't figure something out for that. In the meantime I have a few tiny compositions on my YouTube page (in my signature). I might take some more of those things and do a smaller release at some point too. Irrelevant, I'm listening to your album "Decease Estates" now. You have an interesting style. I can't say too much just yet on first listen, but I'm interested to come back to these long pieces. Really nice guitar tones, both distorted and clean. It's a bit lofi (or maybe it's very lofi--I don't know--my stuff it lofi too), but I like the balance. Everything's very clear between the guitar and bass and the drums aren't too loud (It seems like people like drums LOUD these days, which I'm not a fan of--but that's just me). Well, that's my initial impression. I'll come back to this when I have more time for sure. ------------- https://blankspacerecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Blank Space Records |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 06:32
Thanks. I try to get everything balanced in the mix. I'll check your stuff too.
------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:02
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Gabes music is great. (Irrelevant) :) but not the literal meaning of the word. Gabe you keep making stuff please :) I can't wait to see how you expand.
I am a composer and play in a rock/Prog band. I have written upwards of 800 pages of sheet music. my band, pseudo/sentai, is currently recording a 250 page album titled bansheeface. We have 3 full lengths and 2 eps and 2 singles out and it's on prgarchives. Wanna get real nerdy with it? We are based off Te power rangers. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 07:15
Cheers Greg! Pseudo/Sentai is worth checking out by anyone! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 09:17
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Pseudo/Sentai forever! Superdensecrushloadfactor forever! that second one doesn't roll off the tongue as easily, but it's still true. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:06
I don't think that Gabe was going for a catchy name. But... It does represent his music well. It feels very heavy even when it's not. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:19
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Cool! Also, Greg, you gonna change yo sig to the current release proper? ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:23
Wow, this is really nice stuff. I'm not much of a jazz guy but I could really get into this. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:26
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Hi all, I started writing songs in 1978 when I was playing bass in a couple SF Bay Area prog bands. By 1980 I'd gotten tired of the hassle of playing in bands and decided to do my own thing so I learned how to play the other 'rock' instruments and set out on my own. After 33 years of writing and recording songs I got off the treadmill in 2011 to work on other musical projects. If you're curious to hear a sampling of my stuff, you can get there through the "My Songs" tab on my website: http://dennis.byethost13.com/" rel="nofollow - http://dennis.byethost13.com/ Thanks  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 11:38
Looking forward to your King Stevens stuff. Even a rough demo would be welcome to give us an idea as to where you're at. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 12:17
Good point ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 12:30
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Hanashukketsu, Superdensecrushloadfactor, and Psuedo/Sentai are all great k
------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 12:31
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 27 2013 at 13:21
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I'm really enjoying the pseudo/sentai stuff. Not entirely hooked on the vocals, though. They don't sound as confident as they should be. Also, digging Superdensecrushloadfactor a lot as well. Really nice, mix with a certain "thickness" about it. I'll listen to some of Dennis' stuff soon. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 13:35
Thanks man Feel free to download it! ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 18:10
I am a bit surprised you're not a jazz fan. It strikes me as something you'd like— at least the post-bop and free varieties do. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 19:51
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 21:43
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 21:50
Have you guys checked out much of the New York scene lately? It's coming back with a vengeance! ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 28 2013 at 22:11
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I live in NYC.
I should check dat ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: August 31 2013 at 22:34
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I used to do a lot of noise/ambient tinkering type stuff, including a collaborative effort with a bunch of PA folks... haven't done much recently; just can't seem to find that inspiration... But anyway, here's the old stuff http://electrifythounukes.bandcamp.com ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 01 2013 at 12:54
| Has anyone ever tried recording additional parts for other people's tracks and using those parts for his own material? |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 01 2013 at 14:20
Not really, but once I was jamming along to Miles Davis' Duran, and came up with a riff that I'm going to use it on my next album. Usually it's just me, the instrument and silence, but this time someone else helped me come up with a good thing. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: MustardSea
Date Posted: September 03 2013 at 03:10
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Here's my latest EP (originally released in June) with remastered (actually "first-time-mastered" ;D) audio! http://kanoi.bandcamp.com/album/basque-for-barrel-ep" rel="nofollow - http://kanoi.bandcamp.com/album/basque-for-barrel-ep The mastering was done by Robin Schmidt at 24-96 Mastering - I think he also did the mastering for a release by the band Battle Stations (who are on PA as well)! If you'd like a free copy for reviewing purposes just drop me a line and I'll gladly send it to you via WeTransfer :) Enjoy! ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8335" rel="nofollow - Kanoi on PA http://kanoi.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - kanoi.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 06 2013 at 10:40
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 06 2013 at 11:14
Also, Mustard Sea, I've sampled your music and I plan to give it a full listen soon. Stay tuned for a small review. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 06 2013 at 11:23
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:12
| Anyone ever wrote preachy lyrics? |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:22
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I'm not religious. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:26
 ... No, I mean lyrics in which you give moral advice ... as in http://www.google.com/search?q=preachy+meaning&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS470US470&oq=preachy+meaning&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l2.2907j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8" rel="nofollow - ... .
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:31
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The few lyrics that I've written are more abstract and not really about anything. As a writer, though, the preachiest that I get is in forms of satire. So my answer would be not really. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: September 07 2013 at 23:47
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I try to avoid being preachy. Really, any time I try to make a point or express an opinion or moral in a song, it sounds pretentious, and I aim to be very unpretentious, especially with the kind of music I make. Instead I usually try to make abstract, unimportant lyrics that are only there to add to the sound. Stuff like this: Space and time Start to collide Acid boats Run thru out me I killed rabbits Inside my mind Killed the pope Sent a letter My old dog Killed my lizard I smoked dope And ate the leftovers He Smiled And said well done It smelled weird I ran for my life I LOATH THE OCEAN I remember Dark ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 08:37
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The motto is "show, don't tell." The moral has to be implied. Also, don't spend your time on obvious and specific allegories. Give whatever issue you're wanting to convey some complexity. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 16:34
| ^ Then that means that you won't be straightforward. Can you write meaningful lyrics without them being complex? |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 16:48
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^Thoughtful poetry doesn't necessarily mean complexity. It means taking into account a personal aspect rather than just writing a rhyming essay. Instead of writing "I'm sad," or "I'm in love," try writing the things you would say and do if you were lovestruck or sad. You insult the listeners' intelligence when you make their judgements for them. Give them something to empathize with, something to judge for themselves. Don't expect them to agree or even sympathize with what you're saying, good or bad, if you force it on them. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 16:56
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Made some progress on this http://soundcloud.com/solarluna96/orchestra-cont" rel="nofollow - thing I'm working on. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:06
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:18
Thanks I do have the problem of never repeating things enough. I guess it's that I'd rather have someone listen to something they really like twice instead of dragging it on until they don't like it. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:31
| ^ That's probably why it's a good idea not to repeat certain things more than once. Don't try to second-guess the listener for how many times he wants to hear it. Let him repeat it. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:33
I acknowledge this, but at the same time, as the creator, I've already heard the music dozens of times meaning that I get bored of it much faster. I hope that makes sense? ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:34
| Of course. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:36
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 17:54
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 08 2013 at 20:20
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Yeah, I made the rhythm pretty weird on that one. I'll have to just experiment and see what works. Found http://soundcloud.com/solarluna96/2-spooky" rel="nofollow - this file and decided to make it even creepier. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 11 2013 at 12:53
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Today for the first time I started to dream about assembling a band to play my stuff. I'd love to have it happen at some point, but right now I see nothing but obstacles, including the lack of time and money, not knowing any instrumentalists who are somewhat close to my level (everyone I know is either a beginner or already in a dozen gigging bands) and perhaps not quite being ready for the burden of being a "bandleader". It's not so much that I'd like to play the stuff already released, but to have a couple of partners to jam new stuff with. I've got a half an album in my head, but it's really time consuming to try stuff out by myself. Maybe at some point, we'll see. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 14 2013 at 22:29
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^ That's why I tried being quite flexible in my demands, to the point where agreed to be a part of a metal band ... but that didn't work 'cause that train was moving fast and I had other obligations. So, you have a handful of demos ready?
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 07:12
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^Not a second. Since this is a very distant dream (the time and money factors weigh heavy on it) I'll most likely record the second album again entirely by myself, and the one time I did make a demo for the previous album it took me two years to finally record the track properly.
------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 11:59
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^ That's actually what I was gonna advise you - going solo, since it's tough to find the proper human resources for any of those tasks you've mentioned. That's where I'm at. But at least you've got some songs written for the second album, right?
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 16:23
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^Yeah, I think I've now got an intro and six proper tracks ranging from skeletal to just missing an instrumental section or some lyrics. Plus a bunch of other half-written stuff that might or might not fit in with this company, but will possibly end up on a more songy ep or something. So yeah, lyrics, that's new for me. I know I can sing, but I'm not sure if I can sing in all the styles these tracks might necessitate. That's gonna be a challenge, for sure. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 17:02
| I can't sing lead, of course, though I am thinking of recruiting a female lead singer. Something a la Fern Knight, but not rooted in really old-style folk. |
Posted By: MustardSea
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 10:47
That's also exactly the reason why I started recording on my own. Back when I started writing and recording songs I was living in a small, rural town dominated by Hip-Hop-fanatics - the only guys I could find who were interested in rock music where nearly 2 times as old as me and couldn't play any instruments Since then I moved to the largest city here in Austria and finally found two friends who are willing to rehearse and play my songs and are also interested in the whole Progressive Rock / Space Rock / experimental-music thing. So never give up hope I guess ;D ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8335" rel="nofollow - Kanoi on PA http://kanoi.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - kanoi.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 21 2013 at 19:34
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Question to the fellow association members: what songs do you find so exemplary that they influenced you as writers to the point where you analyze them and wish you could come up with something similar? Me: "At The Harbour" (esp. at least the Debussy piano intro) "Memories Of Green" (esp. piano solo) "Huldra Og Elland" (for the melody and the sounds of the instruments) "The Hermit" (esp. the strings after every verse) "Afterwards" (the piano solo) "The Undercover Man" (sax solo) "Way To Blue" (esp. the strings and the overall atmosphere) "River Man" (esp. the strings and the atmosphere) anything from The Zombies' Odessey And Oracle (esp. "A Rose For Emily" and "Beechwood Park") "Things Behind The Sun" (for the chords) "Pink Moon" (for the simplicity) "Deform To Form A Star" (for the structure) How 'bout you?
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 22 2013 at 12:53
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^I'll have to think about my influences. But to be honest, I'm just a huge fan of music and happen to be a artist who happens to use music as a medium. However, I do have a desire to become similar to JK Broadrick and Kevin Martin in their extreme diversity. "Hip-hop"/IDM http://soundcloud.com/solarluna96/etwas" rel="nofollow - thing I'm working on. I'm currently experimenting with pads and trying to make my music sound more "complete' instead of line of music over percussion. ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 22 2013 at 13:12
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I can't really single out anything that I have in any way tried to model myself after, the few direct influences I've taken have been more like "I have to get there from here, but there's this blank spot in the middle... " and then going to a gig and by chance seeing an Ozric-type space rock band and having an epiphany, or working on something slow and heavy while listening to tons of early R.E.M. and deciding to add some melodic bass under the guitar wall. Other names I can drop are at least Kate Bush, Radiohead and Weather Report, but you surely can't tell the parts from listening. They're just little ideas spicing things up here and there. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 22 2013 at 15:06
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Right now, I'm still stealing things from Deafheaven's "Sunbather," Julia Holter's "Loud City Song," Swans' "The Seer." My influences, though, change pretty frequently. Too, I have artists which I consciously steal from because I like their ideas, but there are also artists I can't help but steal from because I like their music so much. |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 23 2013 at 06:35
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I have bands that I love... but I want to create something original out of what i do. I listen to mostly avant-black metal and other weird metal groups over the last couple of years... and I definitely don't make metal. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 23 2013 at 07:14
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |