Feminism

LSDisease wrote:   ... There are differences and leave them be. I'm only trying to say that I am against all equality policies. People are not equal and will never be no matter what you do. I'm for freedom, equality is the enemy of freedom.

Edited by KingCrInuYasha - January 26 2014 at 18:49

Call it what you will, i am all for women having as much rights as men.

anybody remember the cool early 1980s song that puts part of that simply-

"Women around the world at work, women around the world at work, women around the world at work-
                    Working, working!"

LSDisease wrote: Ambient Hurricanes wrote:   What do you mean by feminism?  This brings up the point stonebeard addressed earlier.  Are you talking about the extreme "there is absolutely no difference between the sexes and all women should be lesbians" militant philosophy, or are you referring to the kind of gender equality advocacy in the video?  If the former, I can see where you are coming from, although I don't think Marxism is a good comparison (Marxism was, at least originally, more about determinist economic theory than equality anyway).  But if you're referring to the latter, you are off the ball...really off the ball...like Colin Kapernick at his worst off the ball. There are differences and leave them be. I'm only trying to say that I am against all equality policies. People are not equal and will never be no matter what you do. I'm for freedom, equality is the enemy of freedom.

You are quite right. There are the ignorant and the cruel and those that make inane statements, They will never be the equals of those wanting to rid the world of girl infanticides, of selling girls and women, of treating women like slaves for some twisted religious doctrine. Freedom is not slavery, it is not rape, it is not mutilating female genitalia.

i don't think it's pron it's self, but the industry, which is obviously deeply misogynistic

^Exactly.  Pornography, by its very nature, teachers those who watch it to view other people as sexual objects.  It's not just misogynistic, its misanthropic, and deeply dehumanizing.

They are completely different.  Porn is scientifically proven to be addictive.  It is not a healthy sexual outlet for the sexually frustrated, it completely rewires your brain and causes the human mind to think completely differently about sexuality.  Porn is more akin to cocaine than to Call of Duty.

Luna wrote: The problem isn't porn. The problem is people being dumb enough to be influenced by porn. I thought we've already been through the violent video games discussion...

exactly. I watch my fair share of porn but I think I have fairly healthy sexual attitude

Luna wrote: Literally and figuratively any object or activity is scientifically proven to be addictive. Please give sources for your claims. Any. Once you've done that, explain how it is in any way different from other typical day-to-day addictions.

A little technical, but here's one.

And here's a more accessible one written by a therapist.

How is it different?  Well 1. Despite the potential for anything to become addictive, some substances are simply more addictive (and harmfully so) than others.  You could theoretically get addicted to say, playing golf but I don't think anyone is going to argue that golf is akin to crack.  2. Pornographic images stick in the mind for as long as the viewer lives, as opposed to other addictive substances that can be purged from the body.  3. Pornography addiction is especially harmful to relationships, as porn trains the brain to view humans as sexual objects and to idealize sexual experience in a way that makes it difficult to have a healthy sex life with an actual real-life partner. 

Luna wrote: I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear 40-50 y/o British men's opinions on feminism

That'll be me then...

I'm all for gender equlity, but I tend to agree somewhat with Stonebeard. I think the sound philosophy of feminism has been hi-jacked in our popular culture to push a rather distorted and actually quite bigoted message. Note, in most sitcoms and comedy films it's the man who's the idiot and is the target of everyones ridicule, and the focus of the comedy. The women is always the sensible character; at least relatively so. This doesn't reflect reality of course, where men and women can be equally profoundly stupid and self interested.

The problem with this 'harmless fun' poked continuously at men is that it undermines the value of the father figure in the family unit, until he becomes nothing more than the resident clown and scapegoat. One hundred years from now, men will be simpering, feminised wimps, sexually confused and performing very few roles of any worth in our society. Women will be in charge and ironically and tragically they will no longer resemble women as we know them. They will exhibt all the undesirable traits of ruthlessness and bigotry, once the domain of ambitious career obsessed males, in order to achieve the success they crave. Many women will choose not to have children, and many of those who do want children will choose to do so without involving a man. They will concieve artificially, so to avoid being lumbered with a man in their life, and having a mans influence on the childs upbringing. In those times having a male child will be deemed less desirable than having a girl, in the same way that it is currently the opposite in some cultures.

Then the backlash will come, and men will be on the march (burning their boxer shorts?) the wheel will turn, and the cycle return to the start..

^^^^ Maybe..

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: What do you mean by "equality policies?"  That term could mean all sorts of different things.  Laws against murder could be considered equality policies because they assume that everyone has an equal right not to be killed.  By "not equal" do you mean unequal in ability/potential/possessions/etc. or unequal in worth and value?  If you want to have a discussion you're going to have to define your terms.

I wasn't talking about basic rights and the law that should protect us. I was talking about equality policies like gender equality programs, economic equality programs etc. They are all based on socialism and they don't work. They're also against freedom cos other people have to pay for that no matter if they want it or not. You can't just take other people's money to pay for something that's inefficient. It's not only unfair it's simply stupid.