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Posted: October 08 2013 at 06:56
so, you are to toughj to read quality litterarure written by girls . I find them more lushusly well written then most books I have read, written by men
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:20
aginor wrote:
so, you are to toughj to read quality litterarure written by girls . I find them more lushusly well written then most books I have read, written by men
I have read every novel that Storm Constantine has ever written, I also read Anne McCaffrey, Poppy Z. Bryte, Freda Warrington, Jane Austen and Trudy Canavan.
Unlike Jane Austen, the Bronte's wrote 19th Century Chick Lit.
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:35
Guldbamsen wrote:
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Jane Eyre and Dicken's David Copperfield came out within a couple of years of each other. If it were really cold, I'd want both books: the Dickens novel would burn long enough to keep me warm while reading Jane Eyre
Well I remember hating both in High School, in fact I'd say both near the bottom of all the things I had to read, soooooo I'll say neither.
I at least understood Jane Eyre, which I can't say for Wuthering Heights, so that was less awful
Admittedly, maybe I'd appreciate more now that I'm older but I doubt it.
I never had a problem with "having to" read in HS. Even if I didn't care for something I never had an issue reading it, sans these 2 books (plus Nathaniel Hawthorne) so I just didn't like em.
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 11:05
Having high school students read the Brontes and Shakespeare is just wrong. It frankly took me a long time to enjoy Shakespeare and Jane Eyre; it took a brilliant professor to show me how and why, for example, Hamlet is important and can be enjoyed and appreciated. If an alien arrives and you give him, say, "The Tempest" to read, it'll be worthless to him/her, without the proper keys to unlocking it (e.g. historical and cultural knowledge, literary conventions, and all the delicious ambiguities and subversive elements embedded underneath the surface of the text). As the saying goes, Joyce didn't just write novels, he had to teach people how to read them as well. I don't know how it is for other people, but I had to learn how to appreciate and enjoy literary works from other epochs... (As a socialist, I guess I should appreciate Dickens more, lol.)
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 11:53
Dean wrote:
erm... isn't the whole point of reading those in High School to teach literature appreciation.
I guess a good school will teach how to appreciate literature. But I went to school in the US. My literature teacher spent the period with a newspaper open, from which one couldn't see him. He wasn't reading; he was sleeping.
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:13
jude111 wrote:
Dean wrote:
erm... isn't the whole point of reading those in High School to teach literature appreciation.
I guess a good school will teach how to appreciate literature. But I went to school in the US. My literature teacher spent the period with a newspaper open, from which one couldn't see him. He wasn't reading; he was sleeping.
Exact opposite of my experience, which, oddly enough, also happened in the U.S.
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Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:40
Padraic wrote:
jude111 wrote:
Dean wrote:
erm... isn't the whole point of reading those in High School to teach literature appreciation.
I guess a good school will teach how to appreciate literature. But I went to school in the US. My literature teacher spent the period with a newspaper open, from which one couldn't see him. He wasn't reading; he was sleeping.
Exact opposite of my experience, which, oddly enough, also happened in the U.S.
I was in h.s. in Florida - which had a reputation at the time as being the worst school system in the US - and therefore, the world...
Of course it is, but needless to say it varies wildly by teacher. I've had ones that I can say influenced my life (all the way to core) as much as my parents...ones who really worked in depth with what we were reading....others couldn't have given a bucket of piss
To be fair, I understood Jane Eyre perfectly, just I wasn't really a fan of it.
Wuthering Heights left my utterly dazed and confused, for starters, and on top of it I didn't like it all (granted not knowing what was going on doesn't help). My teacher at the time wasn't really helpful...I remember asking "What is this?" in better words, and asking for help on understanding and I just never got it. Soooo yeah, kinda just gave up on it.
I purposely never looked up any analysis or even what it was about because I wanted to give it a try again, since others have said they didn't care for it when young but appreciated it later. ....Well, I have been wanting some new things to read. Never thought I'd touch WH again
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Posted: October 12 2013 at 13:45
For those unfamiliar with the Brontë sisters (there were more than the two listed in this Poll), here is a BBC Radio 4 documentary about them that is highly informative:
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Posted: October 12 2013 at 14:51
Dean wrote:
For those unfamiliar with the Brontë sisters (there were more than the two listed in this Poll), here is a BBC Radio 4 documentary about them that is highly informative
Oh I knew about the third one...poor ol Anne never did get the same level of attention it seems.
Keep in mind around this time of my life wikipedia was just getting known so we all looked up "Bronte" and found out about the third one...we also all dreaded that we'd have to read her as well
I've been in a read-y mood, this has inspired to retry these works now that I'm a bit older and not being forced too.
Some of you said it took a few tries, and years, to click so maybe I'll have the same.
Also Wuthering Heights was non linear (if I recall right??) and at the time that really annoyed me, now I'm actually a fan of such things so that'll help haha
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Posted: October 30 2013 at 10:46
Guldbamsen wrote:
I re-read Naked Lunch last weekend - are they in any way comparable to that?
Never been a great fan of these works, and probably way too sentimental and whiney for my tastes.
I got into the history of horror in literature, going as far back as Horace Walpole and Ann Ratcliff, and took it all the way to Anne Rice, and in general, the material that was written between 1750 and 1800 in the Gothic genre, were far superior than the Bronte's and their over the top stuff that movies love to suck on!
I still think that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the one and only original, is one of the best novels ever written! And that includes its subtle meanings, instead of telling us that over-wrought emotions are more important to you, than the realities behind it all!
For that matter, even the Marquis de Sade is a better writer, and more entertaining and "real" than any of hte Bronte's ever will! I'm just tired of that over bearing English upper class snobbery thing in literature!
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