Jane Eyre vs Wuthering Hights
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Topic: Jane Eyre vs Wuthering Hights
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Jane Eyre vs Wuthering Hights
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 07:34
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Two of the best novels of the 19th century, who is important to many generation of readers, but whos your favourite. i read Jane Eyre and i truly likes it, and i understand its important impact and it rices very important questions even in todays sociaty -------------  
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 09:40
Never read either but I have seen the various film adaptations.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 09:40
| Can't say I prefer one over the other. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 10:16
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Both. I prefer the novel Jane Eyre, but then we wouldn't have Kate Bush's Wuthering Heights were it not for the novel...
The best? Among the best, yes. But there's a lot of competition: Flaubert's Madame Bovary, Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment & Brothers Karamazov, Tolstoy's War and Peace & Anna Karenina, Stendahl's The Red and the Black, Austen's Pride and Prejudice, Melville's Moby Dick, Goethe, Twain, Mann, Zola's Germinal, Balzac's Le Père Goriot, George Eliot, Hugo, Dickens... But... still... The two Bronte sisters' novels, along with Dostoeveky, are among the works that most anticipated, or influenced, 20th century modernist literature (Conrad, Henry James, Mann etc.).
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aginor wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 10:21
Haven't read any of them, and I am not sure I want to if I'm honest So many books I want to read before I die, and these have never been under consideration. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 13:14
| Jayne Eyre. But both are very well written. |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 13:51
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I prefer Wuthering Heights. Both novels are good, but … there’s something special about Heathcliff. He’s so dark, so enigmatic, so evil, and still you can’t help feeling sorry for him. And the end should ring a bell for most Genesis fans: I lingered round them, under that benign sky; watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells; listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass; and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 13:58
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^ the scene were Jane spends her last night with Helen Burns, is one of the saddest, most touching, heart warming scence ive ever read, ive not read the whole book yet, but wow heavy -------------
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 19:46
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Dislike both. But Wuthering Heights takes that cake.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 09:35
| No vote. I read Wuthering Heights a few years back and liked it but don't remember much of it now. I read Jane Eyre only recently and loved it in spite of the extremely predictable plot. I would need to read WH again to vote. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 10:51
I re-read Naked Lunch last weekend - are they in any way comparable to that? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 10:56
| I have never read William S Burroughs but just reading about the book, I don't think they would be remotely similar. Wuthering Heights meanders a bit but is not non linear and Jane Eyre is very linear. Without giving too much away, JE is basically the Cinderella story with a twist (or lots of twists, if you will). |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 11:20
No, but they are twisted and gothic underneath the surface. If you want something that can in some ways be compared to Burroughs' novel, check out Jean Genet's Our Lady of the Flowers.) Or even better: Check out Julio Cortazar's Hopscotch, one of my all-time favorite novels, mind-blowing cut-up literature, set in Paris and Argentina, with dudes listening to jazz, bridges 'beat lit,' the French "nouveau roman" (of which Cortazar was associated, although he wrote in Spanish), Latin American lit, and post-modern literature (it's arguably the first post-modern novel).
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 11:34
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^Thanks man, I appreciate the recs. At one point in time I need to step outside of the beatnik bubble I've been living in the past few years (with the few exceptions of Herman Hesse, Aldous Huxley, Camus, and Douglas Adams). ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 11:38
Well, Cortazar's a beatnik, but a European/South American one. After all, I know there's Woodstock and all, but Paris in 68 was the place to be, not LA. And a great many of the jazz musicians so lovingly portrayed by the beat writers were usually in Europe as well...
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 11:52
Definitely gonna look into Cortazar, thanks a gazillion. To be honest with you, then I kinda knew there was a European "beatnik" scene, even if the term was coined for the American kickstarters. The Beatnik explosion, jazz, blues, 60s music with aspirations of togetherness and Jackson Pollock are to me the very heart of America - and the one I love. Pollock describes the other side of the medal whilst doing the exact opposite though Don't worry I know enough of the world to step outside of any "Americanization" in regards to culture, art and literature  But they did some wonderful stuff in all these areas, even if some of them came in the wake of the true genesis.------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 13:44
I know what you mean, I feel the same way. I read "On the Road" at 17 or so, and I was hooked, trying to live the life of the characters in that book, haha. It was sad for me to discover how different America was in the late 80s (when I was "on the road") then the America described in that novel. A vanished world... Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought you are European? :-) p.s. If you want to trade passports, you can have my American citizenship, for your EU membership, hahaha.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 14:01
I'm a native Dane  and no buddy, I think I'll hold onto my citizenship thank you very much------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 16:43
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I will rarely read a book a second time, but Wuthering Heights is on that short list.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 04 2013 at 18:07
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19th century chick lit.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 06:56
so, you are to toughj to read quality litterarure written by girls  . I find them more lushusly well written then most books I have read, written by men -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:20
I have read every novel that Storm Constantine has ever written, I also read Anne McCaffrey, Poppy Z. Bryte, Freda Warrington, Jane Austen and Trudy Canavan. Unlike Jane Austen, the Bronte's wrote 19th Century Chick Lit.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:30
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Women write the bestest of recipes ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:35
Jane Eyre and Dicken's David Copperfield came out within a couple of years of each other. If it were really cold, I'd want both books: the Dickens novel would burn long enough to keep me warm while reading Jane Eyre |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 07:54
Nah, not even close. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 08:03
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Gotta love this place ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 10:54
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Well I remember hating both in High School, in fact I'd say both near the bottom of all the things I had to read, soooooo I'll say neither.
I at least understood Jane Eyre, which I can't say for Wuthering Heights, so that was less awful
 Admittedly, maybe I'd appreciate more now that I'm older but I doubt it.
I never had a problem with "having to" read in HS. Even if I didn't care for something I never had an issue reading it, sans these 2 books (plus Nathaniel Hawthorne) so I just didn't like em.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 11:05
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Having high school students read the Brontes and Shakespeare is just wrong. It frankly took me a long time to enjoy Shakespeare and Jane Eyre; it took a brilliant professor to show me how and why, for example, Hamlet is important and can be enjoyed and appreciated. If an alien arrives and you give him, say, "The Tempest" to read, it'll be worthless to him/her, without the proper keys to unlocking it (e.g. historical and cultural knowledge, literary conventions, and all the delicious ambiguities and subversive elements embedded underneath the surface of the text). As the saying goes, Joyce didn't just write novels, he had to teach people how to read them as well. I don't know how it is for other people, but I had to learn how to appreciate and enjoy literary works from other epochs... (As a socialist, I guess I should appreciate Dickens more, lol.)
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 11:09
erm... isn't the whole point of reading those in High School to teach literature appreciation.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 11:53
I guess a good school will teach how to appreciate literature. But I went to school in the US. My literature teacher spent the period with a newspaper open, from which one couldn't see him. He wasn't reading; he was sleeping. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:13
Exact opposite of my experience, which, oddly enough, also happened in the U.S.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:40
I was in h.s. in Florida - which had a reputation at the time as being the worst school system in the US - and therefore, the world... |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 08 2013 at 12:57
No. In my case, I believe it was punishment for smoking in the lavatory. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 10 2013 at 12:07
Of course it is, but needless to say it varies wildly by teacher. I've had ones that I can say influenced my life (all the way to core) as much as my parents...ones who really worked in depth with what we were reading....others couldn't have given a bucket of piss
To be fair, I understood Jane Eyre perfectly, just I wasn't really a fan of it.
Wuthering Heights left my utterly dazed and confused, for starters, and on top of it I didn't like it all (granted not knowing what was going on doesn't help). My teacher at the time wasn't really helpful...I remember asking "What is this?" in better words, and asking for help on understanding and I just never got it. Soooo yeah, kinda just gave up on it.
I purposely never looked up any analysis or even what it was about because I wanted to give it a try again, since others have said they didn't care for it when young but appreciated it later. ....Well, I have been wanting some new things to read. Never thought I'd touch WH again
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 12 2013 at 13:45
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For those unfamiliar with the Brontë sisters (there were more than the two listed in this Poll), here is a BBC Radio 4 documentary about them that is highly informative:
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: October 12 2013 at 14:51
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 16 2013 at 12:38
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Oh I knew about the third one...poor ol Anne never did get the same level of attention it seems.
Keep in mind around this time of my life wikipedia was just getting known so we all looked up "Bronte" and found out about the third one...we also all dreaded that we'd have to read her as well
I've been in a read-y mood, this has inspired to retry these works now that I'm a bit older and not being forced too.
Some of you said it took a few tries, and years, to click so maybe I'll have the same.
Also Wuthering Heights was non linear (if I recall right??) and at the time that really annoyed me, now I'm actually a fan of such things so that'll help haha
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 30 2013 at 10:46
Never been a great fan of these works, and probably way too sentimental and whiney for my tastes.
I got into the history of horror in literature, going as far back as Horace Walpole and Ann Ratcliff, and took it all the way to Anne Rice, and in general, the material that was written between 1750 and 1800 in the Gothic genre, were far superior than the Bronte's and their over the top stuff that movies love to suck on!
I still think that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the one and only original, is one of the best novels ever written! And that includes its subtle meanings, instead of telling us that over-wrought emotions are more important to you, than the realities behind it all!
For that matter, even the Marquis de Sade is a better writer, and more entertaining and "real" than any of hte Bronte's ever will! I'm just tired of that over bearing English upper class snobbery thing in literature!
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