Dream Theater Disbanded & Albums Deleted

Tony:

Speaking personally (i.e., not in my official capacity), let me ask you a question.  Suppose for a moment that the admin group decided to create a separate category for prog-metal threads.  What, exactly, would you replace them with in the Prog Music Lounge?

The reason I ask is this: whatever your answer - which I assume would be some version of "other threads" or "threads about topics other than DT and prog-metal" - why are you, and others, not simply creating those threads now?

As I believe fandango pointed out - and I have noted ad nauseam on myriad threads, as well as in the guidelines - if those who dislike DT, prog-metal and the growing number of prog-metal threads simply ignored those threads and created whtaver new threads they thought should be created, or posted only to threads they felt were "appropriate," then the prog-metal threads would quickly disappear onto the second and third pages of the category.

How many times do I have to say this before the veterans (and some newbies) "get it?"  I'm beginning to think that at least some of the newbies that many of you disdain for their love of prog-metal and DT "get it" better than some of the senior members and collaborators...

I happen to like DT (though I certainly don't think they are the greatest thing since The Beatles, much less God's gift to prog) and some other prog-metal groups (including Ark and Opeth), on occasion.  As an aside, I personally feel that most prog-metal bands are woefully inconsistent, but that, at their best, they create a legitimate form of prog, and deserve their place here.

In that regard, those who love - or hate - prog-metal or a particular band have every right to express their opinions (as long as those debates remain "civil" and do not devolve into personal attack or other violation of the guidelines).  And, at this point, since prog-metal is a legitimate form of prog, those discussions properly belong in "Prog Music Lounge," unless (as with any other form of prog) it is clear that it is a recommendation (in which case it would be moved to that category) or an other-than-music discussion (e.g., I moved a thread about DT's lyrics to "Non-Music Prog Lounge," where it properly belonged).

I would really like to see the veterans - and the "oppositional" newbies - make a greater effort to welcome the newbies who came to us through prog-metal.  Indeed, if you want them to learn about the "history" of prog - and the symphonic prog, folk prog and other groups who created the genre that prog-metal came out of [N.B. You will find that quite a few newbies are just as conversant with King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, and others as they are with DT, Opeth, Pain of Salvation and other prog-metal groups], you are not setting a good example by showing immediate disdain for their taste in music.  As Dale Carnegie might say, that is not the way to win friends and influence people.

I am not suggesting that prog-metal fans should have a license to simply monopolize any particular category of threads: indeed, that is a violation of the guidelines, and would be dealt with if it were actually occurring.  However, although there are in fact an increasing number of prog-metal threads in Prog Music Lounge, (i) they are not so many as to warrant either a separate category or a warning, and (ii) if those who don't like or want those threads started some other (legitimate, please) threads, then the number of prog-metal threads would decrease proportionally.

As Rodney King put it so well, "Can't we just all get along?"

A little acceptance, patience and humility goes a long way...

Peace.

maani wrote: Tony: Speaking personally (i.e., not in my official capacity), let me ask you a question.  Suppose for a moment that the admin group decided to create a separate category for prog-metal threads.  What, exactly, would you replace them with in the Prog Music Lounge? The reason I ask is this: whatever your answer - which I assume would be some version of "other threads" or "threads about topics other than DT and prog-metal" - why are you, and others, not simply creating those threads now? As I believe fandango pointed out - and I have noted ad nauseam on myriad threads, as well as in the guidelines - if those who dislike DT, prog-metal and the growing number of prog-metal threads simply ignored those threads and created whtaver new threads they thought should be created, or posted only to threads they felt were "appropriate," then the prog-metal threads would quickly disappear onto the second and third pages of the category. How many times do I have to say this before the veterans (and some newbies) "get it?"  I'm beginning to think that at least some of the newbies that many of you disdain for their love of prog-metal and DT "get it" better than some of the senior members and collaborators... I happen to like DT (though I certainly don't think they are the greatest thing since The Beatles, much less God's gift to prog) and some other prog-metal groups (including Ark and Opeth), on occasion.  As an aside, I personally feel that most prog-metal bands are woefully inconsistent, but that, at their best, they create a legitimate form of prog, and deserve their place here. In that regard, those who love - or hate - prog-metal or a particular band have every right to express their opinions (as long as those debates remain "civil" and do not devolve into personal attack or other violation of the guidelines).  And, at this point, since prog-metal is a legitimate form of prog, those discussions properly belong in "Prog Music Lounge," unless (as with any other form of prog) it is clear that it is a recommendation (in which case it would be moved to that category) or an other-than-music discussion (e.g., I moved a thread about DT's lyrics to "Non-Music Prog Lounge," where it properly belonged). I would really like to see the veterans - and the "oppositional" newbies - make a greater effort to welcome the newbies who came to us through prog-metal.  Indeed, if you want them to learn about the "history" of prog - and the symphonic prog, folk prog and other groups who created the genre that prog-metal came out of [N.B. You will find that quite a few newbies are just as conversant with King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, and others as they are with DT, Opeth, Pain of Salvation and other prog-metal groups], you are not setting a good example by showing immediate disdain for their taste in music.  As Dale Carnegie might say, that is not the way to win friends and influence people. I am not suggesting that prog-metal fans should have a license to simply monopolize any particular category of threads: indeed, that is a violation of the guidelines, and would be dealt with if it were actually occurring.  However, although there are in fact an increasing number of prog-metal threads in Prog Music Lounge, (i) they are not so many as to warrant either a separate category or a warning, and (ii) if those who don't like or want those threads started some other (legitimate, please) threads, then the number of prog-metal threads would decrease proportionally. As Rodney King put it so well, "Can't we just all get along?" A little acceptance, patience and humility goes a long way... Peace.

Maani.Maani,Maani....it's a bitchy man's world......

Just playing around for the weekend,breaking some balls-without breaking the rulez

I imagine that if Rush were just "happening" now (remembering the hullabaloo they caused when they first roared into common consciousness) as opposed to the late 70's,the amount of threads related to Rush would probably be enormous,far outweighing the situation we have with DT now. Members are excited and inspired and that can only be a good thing!!

However,what does get up the nose is the swiftness with which these fans get aggressive and display a distinct lack of humour.Just as we non-Dream Theater aficionados should be tolerant of these threads,so the DT fans should be tolerant of a bit of moaning,whingeing and naysaying.If it is all done with a bit of humour and irony then it can be FUN. (and I'm not being hypocritical here)

As for starting new threads-it doesnt seem to work. I bet no more than 3 people will read this post never mind a thread by the likes of me,Gdub,Tux,James,Jim,Peter,Dan et al. I have publicly demonstrated that many (most?) members just skip from the "opening salvo" to the end of the thread (even some 5 star Superstars). The same piece of info,or advice gets repeated,completely independently of what has been written previously.

And, of course,make a reply too long like this one and you've no chance.

Regards.