Dream Theater Disbanded & Albums Deleted
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Topic: Dream Theater Disbanded & Albums Deleted
Posted By: Tony R
Subject: Dream Theater Disbanded & Albums Deleted
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:17
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Ok,no such luck...................but one can dream cant one? Can we have a section devoted to you Dream Theater fanboys,preferably in the "Discussions Not Related To Music" section? You guys could represent your countries in the "Tedium World Championships".....apparently last years's winner spoke for 47 hours on Mike Portnoy's polyrhythmic paradiddles and their relevance to Third World Debt.
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:21
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:21
Tony R you sure are a grouch! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:22
| I have to say... all these DT threads are getting a leeeeeeeetle bit tiresome. Don't you folks have a forum of your own somewhere? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:23
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Yeah,far,far, far away !!!! |
Trouserpress wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:24
You've got issues buddy.....
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:25
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Certainly have! Everyone is leaving and you lot can't see it....... |
Posted By: ShaggyMcShagg7
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:26
| It seems that hating DT has become more of a hobby than an opinion. I can imagine the bedrooms of all the haters; a multitude of DT posters with knives in them. Surely all the energy you put into hating a band can be used much more positively. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:26
Hey.......I've got issues too! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:27
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This thread is no concern for me, neither should DT threads be any concern for guys like Tony R. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:28
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Tony R has apoint though. The DT threads seem to be taking over these days! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:29
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I dont hate them....I just dont particularly like them. As for posters in bedrooms.......that kind of somes up the fanboy mentality doesnt it-I'm 43, gave up childish things when I became an adult. Look at the first page of Prog Lounge,then tell me I'm wrong! |
Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:29
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Does anybody else have Tony R's signature blown up to the size of an ox without anything showing? ------------- Your life or your lupins!!! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:30
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Maybe it would help to have a SEARCH text field right next to the "new topic" button. Perhaps more people would search before they post then. That way we would have less threads of either "fraction". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:31
Yuo gave up childish things!!!!!!! Shurely shome mishtake! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:31
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Then you dont really get my point do you???????? I know that they have just released an album,but why cant you discuss it in the "Recommendations/Listening To" Section???? |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:32
All I can say Tony, is firstly start some threads about different bands/ themes which are interesting enough to catch peoples attention and thus maintain their shelf-life for several days... what do you want to talk about? Secondly, don't answer any of the DT threads...if you and other non-DT fans ignored them, then they would slip down the pages more quickly....Voila! I'd start a thread for you, but on average only 2 people ever respond to mine...and one of them is a rude message from Snow Dog, so I have given up... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:32
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Not me! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:34
Rude!.......Me!............when was that then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:36
Thanks for those thrilling words of advice Fandango. Have you noticed how fewer people are posting these days.........???????? This is a real issue,that has no real solution.Nobody reads all the way through a thread any more,I have frequently seen the same observation made three or four times without anybody making reference to the previous repeated observation.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:38
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Its true that you see less of the older members these days. I agree. Whats to be done Tony? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:41
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Ban anyone who mentions Dream Theater........whoops. DOH!!!! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:43
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Who? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:43
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:47
WOW, It's a good thing you gave up those childish tendancies and became an adult... |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:48
Tony, you are beginning to sound a bit like Flowerchild...who incidentally hasn't been around for a few days.... actually that's probably why its quiet...he usually writes 10 posts per minute! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:49
He says in his signature that he's been temporarily banned ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:49
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:51
Like Flowerchild?????? Kill me now!!!!!! I'd swap banning Dream Theater for banning Flowerchild any day! We should get a new thread going: Have you been reported by Flowerchild? If not,you must be really boring................ |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:53
Shush..careful now! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:54
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:54
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Wow,I thought he'd been quiet!
I take it all back.I'm so happy!!! Dream Theater Fanboys Rule!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:56
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A man of your word I see ! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:56
Hey Sorry Tony... I keep insulting you on this thread!! And if Flowerchild should come back and read this, then it won't make any difference because he will have already reported me for the comment I shoved on his Poll! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:57
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Great thread Tony! Absolutely red hot! Haave you seen how quick its got to two pages? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 17:58
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I read that comment Fandango, and it was spot on! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:03
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I have a feeling that this entire thread might get removed before we are finished... with warnings all round from Maani for behaving like naughty children!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:07
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Maani's probably topped himself. Dont forget he has to read all the crap posted on the site. No wonder Peter's done a runner... Easy's probably on a Saga Vacation...so it's Party Time!!!!!!!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:08
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I don't think he minds a bit of light hearted teasing, or a bit of rough and tumble! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:10
| Oi! You lot - stop pissing about in this thread and talk about Samla Mammas Manna in my new thread instead! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:10
Saga Vacation..... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:12
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Watch it Trousersnake...Maani's watching!! aim:BuddyIcon?src=http://www.millan.net/aim/persbuddy.gif">
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:15
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At the very least, this thread should be moved to the 'Fun' section...after all, there's bugger all in the way of musical content!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:18
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Which takes us nicely back to Dream Theater
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:19
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:20
Well I've been over to Samla Mammaries thread,but I prefer pissing around! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:21
Fair enough, as long as you DO check 'em out. The great thing about them is they they're partial to a bit of musical pissing around themselves! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:25
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Any MP3s here? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:25
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The problem with Trousersnake is that he gets too highbrow and esoteric for me... he looks down his nose at my mundane Neo-Prog and would probably choke if he knew I was listening to 'Pepper's Ghost' at the mo... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:27
Ooooh... I wouldn't say I look down on neo-prog as such... would you class The Flower Kings as neo-prog? I do, anyway. I just like music to be as wild and creative as possible. Any less and I feel a little cheated... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:29
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 18:40
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 19:39
The existance of this thread would suggest otherwise . |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 19:47
If you equate a little light-hearted banter to relieve the utter tedium around here with being childish then Ty1020,all I've got to say is this:
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 20:05
BTW Flowerchild is viewing the site at this very moment!!! gdub411, Cygnus X-2, Walker, Progger, flowerchild, maani, Tony R, valravennz, shand, pepolo, Ben2112, Lyzarrd, MikeEnRegalia, HeirToRuin, drbr, DallasBryan, ShaggyMcShagg7
Hiya Flowerchild.....missing you loads................ NOT !! |
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 20:24
Do you buy Dream Theater albums just to smash them? 
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 20:32
For real though, the out-of-control number of DT-related threads is
a little annoying, but not nearly as annoying as the seemingly greater
number of people complaining about them. |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 20:33
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Tony: Speaking personally (i.e., not in my official capacity), let me ask you a question. Suppose for a moment that the admin group decided to create a separate category for prog-metal threads. What, exactly, would you replace them with in the Prog Music Lounge? The reason I ask is this: whatever your answer - which I assume would be some version of "other threads" or "threads about topics other than DT and prog-metal" - why are you, and others, not simply creating those threads now? As I believe fandango pointed out - and I have noted ad nauseam on myriad threads, as well as in the guidelines - if those who dislike DT, prog-metal and the growing number of prog-metal threads simply ignored those threads and created whtaver new threads they thought should be created, or posted only to threads they felt were "appropriate," then the prog-metal threads would quickly disappear onto the second and third pages of the category. How many times do I have to say this before the veterans (and some newbies) "get it?" I'm beginning to think that at least some of the newbies that many of you disdain for their love of prog-metal and DT "get it" better than some of the senior members and collaborators... I happen to like DT (though I certainly don't think they are the greatest thing since The Beatles, much less God's gift to prog) and some other prog-metal groups (including Ark and Opeth), on occasion. As an aside, I personally feel that most prog-metal bands are woefully inconsistent, but that, at their best, they create a legitimate form of prog, and deserve their place here. In that regard, those who love - or hate - prog-metal or a particular band have every right to express their opinions (as long as those debates remain "civil" and do not devolve into personal attack or other violation of the guidelines). And, at this point, since prog-metal is a legitimate form of prog, those discussions properly belong in "Prog Music Lounge," unless (as with any other form of prog) it is clear that it is a recommendation (in which case it would be moved to that category) or an other-than-music discussion (e.g., I moved a thread about DT's lyrics to "Non-Music Prog Lounge," where it properly belonged). I would really like to see the veterans - and the "oppositional" newbies - make a greater effort to welcome the newbies who came to us through prog-metal. Indeed, if you want them to learn about the "history" of prog - and the symphonic prog, folk prog and other groups who created the genre that prog-metal came out of [N.B. You will find that quite a few newbies are just as conversant with King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, and others as they are with DT, Opeth, Pain of Salvation and other prog-metal groups], you are not setting a good example by showing immediate disdain for their taste in music. As Dale Carnegie might say, that is not the way to win friends and influence people. I am not suggesting that prog-metal fans should have a license to simply monopolize any particular category of threads: indeed, that is a violation of the guidelines, and would be dealt with if it were actually occurring. However, although there are in fact an increasing number of prog-metal threads in Prog Music Lounge, (i) they are not so many as to warrant either a separate category or a warning, and (ii) if those who don't like or want those threads started some other (legitimate, please) threads, then the number of prog-metal threads would decrease proportionally. As Rodney King put it so well, "Can't we just all get along?" A little acceptance, patience and humility goes a long way... Peace. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 20:37
VOTE TONY R FOR MODERATOR! 
I love his animations! envious actually because I cant post pictures from my Apple ! 
Hey, dont forget they let me stay too! 
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 00:27
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As others said the problem is not that i hate Dream (which i dont), but
that a lot of members seem to only know them and a couple of other prog
metal bands. So whatever "best ..." question is asked I get at least 5
people giving the DT answer, while most other members actually think
about the question and come up with some band not necessarily their
favorite, but appropriate to the question. These one-dimensional answers don't help anyone and digest the forum, not only by taking up half of the first page but also by spamming proper threads with "no-brain" answers. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 02:37
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:13
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Well, i like DT...'Octavarium' is a good CD. But occasionally it feels like a 'DT Fanboy' forum here, be honest guys!! Open mindedness appears have been thrown out the window and awarding EVERY thing DT touch 5 Stars appears to be the order of the day. I love DT, I think they crap on most of the bands out there at the moment, they are talented musicians, but I am sorry, NOT ALL their albums are classics, sorry, its true. There is no way 'Train of thought' should be mentioned in the same breath as 'Close to the edge', 'Dark side of the moon' or 'Foxtrot' etc...they ARE classics and Mr. Portnoy and Mr. Petrucci would likely agree with me. I respect them a huge amount, but they also very probably respect their past and influences...bands like Yes, Floyd and Genesis are why DT EXIST! please understand that guys! I believe DT have 2 classics...'IAW' and 'SFAM'. not sure either of them should register in the top 50 prog albums of all time though, maybe the top 100. I would bet a few bucks DT would AGREE with that. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 05:32
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RUSH sucks
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Posted By: DreamT = GOD
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:03
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DREAM THEATER = GODS Rush are quite good also |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:04
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DREAM THEATER = GOOD
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:21
Maani.Maani,Maani....it's a bitchy man's world...... Just playing around for the weekend,breaking some balls-without breaking the rulez I imagine that if Rush were just "happening" now (remembering the hullabaloo they caused when they first roared into common consciousness) as opposed to the late 70's,the amount of threads related to Rush would probably be enormous,far outweighing the situation we have with DT now. Members are excited and inspired and that can only be a good thing!! However,what does get up the nose is the swiftness with which these fans get aggressive and display a distinct lack of humour.Just as we non-Dream Theater aficionados should be tolerant of these threads,so the DT fans should be tolerant of a bit of moaning,whingeing and naysaying.If it is all done with a bit of humour and irony then it can be FUN. (and I'm not being hypocritical here As for starting new threads-it doesnt seem to work. I bet no more than 3 people will read this post never mind a thread by the likes of me,Gdub,Tux,James,Jim,Peter,Dan et al. I have publicly demonstrated that many (most?) members just skip from the "opening salvo" to the end of the thread (even some 5 star Superstars And, of course,make a reply too long like this one and you've no chance. Regards. |
)Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:22
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DREAM THEATER = WOOD ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:24
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Oi Tony R, you ruined the flow! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:27
Dunno about the rest of you, but I read through all the threads, and I read Maani's post, and I read yours.  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 06:31
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 08:06
Three pages for arguing and quarreling over Dream Theater???
I'm puzzled! (BTW: there has been actually too much anticipation for this new work...I think I'm gonna approach it with hostility) ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 10:43
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Tony: Forgive me; I wasn't suggesting that you couldn't poke fun at people or their tastes...by all means, do so: after all, your tastes are suspect as well... What is odd about this conversation is that, at this moment, as I write this post, there are 28 threads on the first page of the Prog Music Lounge, and only 2 are about DT or Octavarium. And at its "height," there were only 5. Five out of 28; hardly something to be screaming about. I believe that the problem here is one of "perception" rather than "reality." As Tony notes, when a new band or anticipated album comes out, it is likely that the number of threads for that band/album are going to increase, perhaps even exponentially. But even during the Radiohead debacle and KE9's manic ELP period, there were never more than half a dozen threads out of the 28 that appear on the main page. Again, hardly something to freak out about. Yes, it does seem that some, maybe even many, of the newbies and other DT and prog-metal fans are somewhat "myopic" about their taste, or at least seemingly limited. However, I believe that is balanced by the number of newbies who may have come to PA through prog-metal, but who also have a working - if not better - knowledge of Crimson, Floyd, Yes, ELP, and other seminal and "veteran-approved" ( Peace. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 10:56
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Couldn't you add another two "sticky" threads: One about the definition of "Progressive Rock", where you link to various definitions in the internet and quickly explain that it does not mainly mean "innovative", and another one listing the often disputed bands that are not included, like Muse, Meshuggah etc. and a quick reason why they're not there (that explanation ending with "it has been decided, don't bother to ask"). I guess that would decrease the number of new threads as well as their spam percentage ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 12:55
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Mike: Re the "definition" threads, there are usually only one or two at any time, so I don't see it as a big problem. As noted by me and others, if you are tired of that discussion, simply don't join it. Re the "disputed" bands, I usually move those threads to the "suggestions" category under "bands and albums" so they don't take up room in the Prog Music Lounge. Hope that will suffice for the moment. Peace. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 13:01
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maani: It's all fine with me, I enjoy these threads. As you said: The threads are easily ignored, so really noone should have a problem with them. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 13:05
You lost me after Maani, Maani, Maani. Even that was too long.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 13:15
Even more than that Maani. Look at the Calprog review thread in the Live performances forum for an example. Here is a great thread with tons of pictures and several different views about 5 bands at a fantastic progressive event and no more than 5 people posted. Why spend the time "casting pearls before swine" (Btw that is a figure of speach in case anyone trys to make it something else). At Progressive Ears there were six pages of responses with no pictures allowed in the forum posts. I don't think many people here want to hear about anything new that is outside either 1. Old Classic period bands 2. Dream Theater and or Prog Metal.
The old who is your favorite whatever thereads, Dream Theater and what not threads are plain boring and have been done so many times I don't repond anymore.. Everyone has a right to thier opinon and subject matter I guess but this is just becoming so old.
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Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 13:26
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I think you're tarring Dream Theater fans with one brush. SOME of us have objective points of view when it comes to their albums (I, for one dislike ToT, and think Octavarium is average). And to be honest, i'm fairly positive most fans know of plenty of good Prog bands from each era. Elitism doesn't always make a forum better, you know. I come here not to discuss my love for Dream Theater or any other prog-metal bands, but instead to vary my musical tastes. Sure enough, if they come up in a conversation i'll happily talk about them but i'm much more interested in hearing YOUR points of views regarding both old and new music.
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 13:46
I agree with you Garion... ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:08
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Maani, i dont know how you manage to always find the right words to say in a thread. Your words are inspiring Tony R... i know what you do with your dream theater albums ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 08:45
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And I know what you do with Senior Citizens....
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 19:04
checkmate ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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