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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 18:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 19:00
I really like the Blasphart song on Reverbnation, and Rare Goat does as competent covers as covers can get, but I really want to hear those Rare Goat originals! I suppose I have no room to talk, though. I haven't posted anything yet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 20:54
Oh wow, I forgot about that song on ReverbNation. Embarrassed.  glad you liked it though!

Here's an early mix of a new Rare Goat song I did, called "Holocaust Walnut Bowl" 


And I've got this on my Soundcloud too, another Blasphart song from '93 you might like:


I appreciate the interest in my stuff, when I have more time I'd like to comment on the other stuff already posted in this thread earlier today, lots of talented people around here.   I've already heard a good bit of Luna and Smarty's stuff, though I want to hear more.  I'm a fan of Hanashukketsu (Vomps, Alan, Cam) as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2013 at 22:54
I like the Rare Goat song a lot. There were a lot of interesting elements, and, overall, it was pretty satisfying. I'd have liked a simpler drum approach, though. The other Blasphart song was good too.

ALSO: I should have some King Stevens rehearsal demos to show soon. I'm kind of anxious to get this stuff out there. Me and my brother have written hundreds of songs for the project over a period of three years, but it will be a long time before we're in the financial position to record a full studio album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:22
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

This is a place for songwriters and composers to share their works, advice, criticism, exercises, etc. to hone their skills for whatever they wanna do with their music.
Excellent thread idea. Besides that I was also thinking of starting a thread on help with honing down improvisation skills, but the Web already has a wealth of information on that.

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We all know about you, smart LOL Speaking of which, I need to check out some of your more recent releases... but there's just so many!
Yeah, slow down, dude. Take your time.
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The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively.
Honestly, I don't care for how the engineer mixes the cuts as long as the material itself is solid and is well executed.

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I'm one of three songwriters in a rock band called Rare Goat.  We've been together 9 years, but only got serious about developing original material in the last two years or so.  We're nearly finished recording our first album of all original material.  I'm pretty pumped about it.

20 years ago or so, I also wrote and recorded an 11 song EP by myself under the name of Blasphart.  It was a hardcore punk thing heavily influenced by Dead Kennedys and Saccharine Trust.  I revived  one of those songs for the upcoming Rare Goat album.
I gotta hear it.

In case if you haven't read this before, I'm OK when writing short instrumental pieces for the classical guitar, but when it comes to songwriting, ... yuck. And when it comes to criticism, oh boy, ... . I've written and discarded a slew of crappy songs, which naturally was effortless, and the writing experience was awful.

So far my biggest problem is fighting the laziness, picking up the guitar, and writing songs around some of the tunes I already have, or recording that one song that I've written (though the lyrics need more work). I'm just drained of inspiration.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:30
Yup, the thing that takes the longest for me is actually building up the motivation and willpower to make anything at all. I've got ideas and I write them down, but I can go weeks or months without touching an instrument at all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:41
^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something. Inspiration may be a large part of the story. The excessive amount of material stored on my laptop and my iPhone may also have something to do with that. The delicious material ... it's not right in front of me; I just have to pull up numerous directories and sift through the trivial (which is code for "short, experimental, over-the-top, nonsensical material that doesn't work") tracks, look for hot stuff that I should have brought up on my desktop in the first place.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:47
I can't help composing and recording, it's a habit I couldn't get out of if I tried
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:54
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 00:55
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I can't help composing and recording, it's a habit I couldn't get out of if I tried
And that is a good habit. Don't be like me, ... all drowsy, with a head clogged with trash but not inspirational music. Keep playing your instruments - they will become a natural extension of you, and soon you'll be able to play that electric guitar better than me and Pete Hammill put together. I've recently read a post from a forum on a different website where the author explicitly stated that an effective way to get better at improvisation is knowing your instrument, all the ins and outs, knowing how each chord and note you know sounds and how to play it right away without thinking and going through trial and error.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:09
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
In other words, finding the right audience for ya is one of the main problems. Did I get that right? That's why I think trying to make a good singer-songwriter (assume it as a genre for a moment, think Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and the like) is a good idea. All you have to do is just pick up a guitar and perform the song. It's not dressed into any style, be that metal, old school rock-n'-roll, or vocal-modal jazz, so I think that at this point your song is more accessible that way, i.e. if you keep it stripped down.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:13
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ I don't know how about you, but if I actually had any physical friends around me that could force me to write and record a handful, I probably would come up with something.
I've recorded this and that for so and so, but it's mostly because the people know exactly what they want and I fill the role. I can really only write/make music on my own which is both my appeal and downfall.
In other words, finding the right audience for ya is one of the main problems. Did I get that right? That's why I think trying to make a good singer-songwriter (assume it as a genre for a moment, think Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and the like) is a good idea. All you have to do is just pick up a guitar and perform the song. It's not dressed into any style, be that metal, old school rock-n'-roll, or vocal-modal jazz, so I think that at this point your song is more accessible that way, i.e. if you keep it stripped down.
Not really what I meant. It was more "I can record music for people who want me to, but I have no motivation whatsoever and as a result cannot make music frequently".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 01:14
^ Oh ... . Well, whatever pleases your heart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 02:36
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Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

A while ago I was thinking about starting a thread called PA Musicians' Collective Journal where we all could ramble on about what we're up to and pat each other on the backs. This seems like at least somewhat close to the same idea, thanks Thumbs Up

From time to time I've been thinking about pressing a small number of CDs of my album (burning the music myself to pre-printed CDrs, probably), and as I've lately been doing a bit of remixing to the material, I guess I'll wait until the mix is done and then I'll get on with it. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to them, I've been thinking around 20 copies at first, there might be a possibility that I could get rid of that amount.

So what do you do?
I would recommend using Amazon's CreateSpace for producing limited runs of CDs. For 20 copies you can do it yourself on a PC but CreateSpace produces a more professional looking product. Both these would be CDR but glass pressed CDs are only viable for quantities over 500.
 
Here's one of mine produced using CreateSpace.
 
 
There's at least one company in Finland that I know of who make professional cases (digipak or jewelcase, I haven't decided yet, and they have a mass of other options as well) and very good looking blank CDrs. They could also press the whole thing start to finish, but yeah, the quantity might be an issue there, and for such a small number it's ok for me to burn it myself if the rest of the package is fine.

The problem I have is the artwork, because the original cover photo was taken on a pretty crappy camera that looks fine on a screen, but pretty muddy when printed. If all else fails, I guess I'll have to go on a hike and re-shoot it or have somebody paint it.

I might take a look at Createspace anyway, thanks for the suggestion.Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 07:49
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?
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Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Yay, another plugging opportunity! Big smile

Three of my compositions are here...

https://soundcloud.com/zeitgeist-band
I like the compositions and the playing very much. I have mixed feelings about the mix, though (pun not intended). It's doing a lot of new and interesting things that you don't normally find in Jazz, but I think it's a bit too compressed. Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the input man I'm not really a production kinda guy but I know what you mean. I mean we were trying to go for the least jazzy sound due to the opening riff being not really a jazz riff... What sort of a mix would you suggest?
Try putting a bit more reverb on the drums and taking away some compression. It might sound like a more modern, more electric version of this:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 12:54
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

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The instruments are panned to fill the sonic space. Also, when single instruments are panned to both ears, either different takes are used or both sides of the take are mixed differently. If nothing is changed in single instruments from ear to ear, it sounds no different from a mono recording. Please, take all of this with a grain of salt. You may have done this, and I just don't hear it. You also know more about your music than I do, and have total control and freedom to do as you please, as long as you like the product. Quality is relative to intention. I'm just relating as a composer my opinions on how your music could be bettered, and maybe how it could serve whatever intention it serves more effectively.
Honestly, I don't care for how the engineer mixes the cuts as long as the material itself is solid and is well executed.
I view a mix as part of the material. After all, there are no actual parameters to the sound we create. I view my music as sculpting a specific mass of sound from endless possibilities of sounds. Approaching our own music as sound, regardless of whether or not we've placed systematic parameters on it, is very important IMO.

On the topic of motivation, writer Octavia Butler once said, "Forget inspiration. Habit is more dependable." Writing music everyday is a great way to grow an awareness for your craft. Even if you create something sub-par, you'll still have that experience of making something, and therefore better yourself as an artist. The same goes with lyrics. You only get better by doing it.

I'm in a similar boat to Smarts here. I write everyday, not even out of discipline, but out of habit. I didn't start writing every day until I picked up guitar. I didn't know any songs, but I knew chords, and so I just played sequences of chords everyday. It sort of grew from there. Lyrics have been more of a discipline thing for me. I still don't write lyrics everyday, but I write a lot more frequently than I used to. You just have to start. Write down any ideas at the risk of sounding stupid. Revise them. Think of interesting ways to use them. Anyways, I do have trouble finishing things, because I'm very picky, particularly about my own music. I end up pulling my hair out trying to get the right sound, the right form, to communicate what I want to communicate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:00
Sure, I don't pick up my guitar or saxophone when I'm "inspired" to do so, but when I force myself. My problem is that although I'd love to make a habit out of it, I simply can't. And this isn't only a music problem, I have the same issue with pretty much everything that I try.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 13:42
I have the same problem with lyrics. The habit does start with some kind of discipline, but you can start small. A teacher of mine once told me to compose a measure a day and only a measure a day. Try write three or four notes or sounds or what have you. Don't try to write it all in one sitting. It doesn't even have to be good, either. The important thing is that you're doing it. There are some composers who can't write anything more than a measure or two on any given day. It's okay to be a little bit lazy and work slow or small.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2013 at 14:06
When it comes to art and music, I find my creativity is most efficient when I begin more or less at random, just picking a cool song title and a bunch of lyrics that just sound good, never mind what they mean, and as I'm writing, I'll sometimes hear the tune in my head.  After I've gotten it started, I look at it, and think, "this looks like it's a song about ______ ." And then I'll continue from there, with that figure in mind.   It's similar to how I draw (and I'm no sketch artist, don't get me wrong), I'll just doodle a bit, then look at it and say "hey, that looks like a dragon".  And then I'll fill in the bits that don't yet look like a dragon.   It's probably a load of bullsh*t, but this approach has actually has probably yielded the quickest AND the best work I've done.  Any time I begin work with a set topic in mind ("I think I'll write a song about my political views!"  thpppppp)  it nearly always comes off stilted.  MANAGED RANDOMNESS is the way to go for me.

I am not prolific at all when it comes to writing, though.  I could probably do well to practice it more, so maybe some of that random inspiration will become more under my direct control rather than a chance happening.

It also helps that I'm not really aiming at composing anything complex.  I'll usually start with simplicity and then decorate it with weird stuff later.


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