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The.Crimson.King 
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 Posted: August 07 2013 at 13:12 |
 tamijo wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying. |
Since when has Fripp ever cared about the audience. |
Never, but it seems he sometimes cares about the money. |
So what exactly was Fripp supposed to have done differently to show he "cared" about his audience and not "the money"?
Clearly, being intimately involved in the creation of the very genre that brings us together on PA, running one of the most successful world renowned prog bands for 34 years, being the primary driving force between the creation of 13 Crimso studio and 25 live albums, spending over 3 decades of his life living out of suitcases in Holiday Inn's to bring music to audiences across the world, and providing millions with unique musical experiences of a consistently high quality from 1969 to 2003 isn't enough.
Did Fripp make money? I sure hope so (though I suspect EG records made more from King Crimson than he ever did). Did Fripp care about money? Is there anyone here who doesn't need to eat or put a roof over their families heads?
Edited by The.Crimson.King - August 07 2013 at 13:16
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 04:23 |
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Here's a scenario I've often pondered: in the mid-1970s, around 1974-1976ish, you saw a brace of major prog bands either disband entirely (King Crimson) or go on a hiatus (ELP, Yes, Moody Blues). What would have happened if those bands had stayed active in that time frame? Would the fading of prog's commercial fortunes been delayed, or would the backlash have come earlier?
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tamijo
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 04:44 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying. |
Since when has Fripp ever cared about the audience. |
Never, but it seems he sometimes cares about the money. |
So what exactly was Fripp supposed to have done differently to show he "cared" about his audience and not "the money"?
Clearly, being intimately involved in the creation of the very genre that brings us together on PA, running one of the most successful world renowned prog bands for 34 years, being the primary driving force between the creation of 13 Crimso studio and 25 live albums, spending over 3 decades of his life living out of suitcases in Holiday Inn's to bring music to audiences across the world, and providing millions with unique musical experiences of a consistently high quality from 1969 to 2003 isn't enough.
Did Fripp make money? I sure hope so (though I suspect EG records made more from King Crimson than he ever did). Did Fripp care about money? Is there anyone here who doesn't need to eat or put a roof over their families heads?
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To my understanding this tread was ment as a place to be joking and stuff.
Look like you took my posts way too seriusly
If you read fripp's diary (i do, im a big fan), Fripp often makes stadements like :
"as a professionel touring musician...................." , often in relation to the fact, that he finds it hard to work as an artist, and at the same time run his "shop". I was just playing a game, on the idear that fripp got involved with Phil, and together they made POP music, Phil style, to give people what they want.
They did not, its a fantacy, and seems no one found it to be the least little bit fun. 
Edited by tamijo - August 09 2013 at 04:57
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Stool Man
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 05:04 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I always wondered what would have happened in prog history if the following alternative reality story lines had occurred.
1) Bill Bruford stayed with Yes and recorded Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer.
2) When Peter Gabriel left Genesis, Steve Hackett went with him and they formed a new band together.
3) Syd Barrett was able to pull himself together and Pink Floyd continued as a 5 piece with both Syd and David Gilmour.
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1) TFTO is a single album, Wakeman stays with the band. Alan White joins King Crimson, who then stay together throughout the 70s, becoming more successful commercially than any other Prog band.
2) Gabriel & Hackett form a pop trio with Patrick Moraz (because Wakeman stays with Yes) and have more success than the 80s Genesis we know and 'love' - those guys stick with the prog but fail and separate into three solo careers.
3) Syd stays = no themes of madness and loss = no Dark Side Of The Moon = no mega success = experimental music & underground cult status forever.
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dr prog
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 06:14 |
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What if the John Evan band stayed together in 1967. This was pretty much the 1972-75 Tull lineup with Anderson, Evan, Barlow and Hammond. Barre didn't come into the picture until 1969
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 09:55 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying. |
Since when has Fripp ever cared about the audience. |
Never, but it seems he sometimes cares about the money. |
So what exactly was Fripp supposed to have done differently to show he "cared" about his audience and not "the money"?
Clearly, being intimately involved in the creation of the very genre that brings us together on PA, running one of the most successful world renowned prog bands for 34 years, being the primary driving force between the creation of 13 Crimso studio and 25 live albums, spending over 3 decades of his life living out of suitcases in Holiday Inn's to bring music to audiences across the world, and providing millions with unique musical experiences of a consistently high quality from 1969 to 2003 isn't enough.
Did Fripp make money? I sure hope so (though I suspect EG records made more from King Crimson than he ever did). Did Fripp care about money? Is there anyone here who doesn't need to eat or put a roof over their families heads?
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He eventually got fed up with being ripped off and he states that in many CD liner notes. He knew he was ( and is ) some form of demi-God because of his intellect, not only because of his outre playing. I remember doing many " I'm not worthies " at Crimson concerts. He's sort of the Elvis of progrock.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: August 09 2013 at 16:18 |
tamijo wrote:
To my understanding this tread was ment as a place to be joking and stuff.Look like you took my posts way too seriusly If you read fripp's diary (i do, im a big fan), Fripp often makes stadements like : "as a professionel touring musician...................." , often in relation to the fact, that he finds it hard to work as an artist, and at the same time run his "shop". I was just playing a game, on the idear that fripp got involved with Phil, and together they made POP music, Phil style, to give people what they want. They did not, its a fantacy, and seems no one found it to be the least little bit fun. |
Sorry about that...I must admit I had absolutely no idea you were joking. The thread was meant to be fun but it seemed to become a humourless Fripp-bash with no smilies to be found and my post was in response to that. I totally missed your inference that Fripp had joined with Phil to provide pop to the masses. If I had seen that, I would have been laughing too hard to post that reply  To take your idea one step further, the thought of RF partnering up with Phil and doing the guitar work on "A Groovy Kind of Love" is enough to send me into fits of cataplexy 
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prog4evr
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Posted: August 14 2013 at 22:04 |
RedNightmareKing wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
RedNightmareKing wrote:
I've always wondered what would happen if 1969 KC stayed together...
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I'm glad they didn't, we would never have had the wonderfully eclectic music from many different lineups over the years, although it would have been interesting to hear what they would have come up with. I find myself not really very excited about ITCotCK these days, but given the incredible musicians those guys were, I'm sure they would have evolved into something even better. Still, I'm happy we got all the other lineups instead.
One thing I really would have liked to hear is Michael Giles on more records, to my knowledge he maybe appeared on one more album besides ITCotCK but he was such an incredible drummer with such a small output.
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I'm really surprised Giles isn't mentioned much around here with his skills, especially on Lizard and ITCotCK...
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I know this skews us 'off topic' a bit, but I so agree. Giles is the one of the best, most under-rated drummers in the history of jazz & rock, let alone prog...
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Posted: August 17 2013 at 12:30 |
HolyMoly wrote:
If Spirit had accepted the invitation to play at Woodstock, their popularity would have been given a timely boost, and the 1970 release of Twelve Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus would have become the new standard in mainstream progressive rock, it would have become one of the longest running chart entries in rock history, and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon would merely have been praised as a continuation and refinement of the studio experimentation that Spirit began.
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And Led Zep wouldn't have been able to rip off Taurus so easily. 
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