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Not really prog, but I've often thought about how it would've panned out, if Steve Miller Band had stayed together with Chuck Berry and talked him into doing Children of the Future and Sailor.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 08:33
The nice thing aboubt time travel is when I go back in time and change things no one in the present notices a change even though there was a huge change from my timeline where these three questions posed were:
1) What if Bill Bruford left Yes after CTTE and was replaced by the drummer form Joe Cocker's backing band? Would the single album Tales From Topographic Oceans still stand as the epitome of restrained and controlled Progressive Rock and more importantly, would it still be at #1 in the PA Top 100 (and would the follow-up TFTO part 2 - The Relayer still be at #2)?
2a) What would Trick of the Tale have been like with Phil Collins doing all the singing? (stop laughing, it could happen)
and
2b) What would the album "Five Get Into A Fix" be called if Peter and Steve left had after the epic Wind And Wuthering?
3) Would Pink Floyd have followed the Progressive Rock path if Dave Gilmour from Joker's Wild had been brought in to play guitar, or would they still be touring the Mecca Ballrooms with Marmalade and The Hollies as part of the Pscyh-Sixites Revival Show.
Still, the 4th question, whose alternate-reality counter version, (for some odd reason of time-dilation and reflex causality that has yet to be explained), hasn't found it's way on to this timeline:
4) Would Yes still be the biggest band in the world if we replaced Anderson and Wakeman with the singer and keyboardist from a 80s one-hit wonder band like say The Korgies or, I dunno, The Buggles, for one album?
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 08:54
BBC Live tonight - Tonight with best selling UK band of 1973 King Crimson with the amasing singer Phil Collins
Singing their Smash hit "In the Airport tonight"
As everyone know Phil came to Crimson from the unknown band Genesis, the band was split after Peter Gabriel & Steve Hacket left to form GTH with tony Levin.
GTH is currently touring Japan, the only place left, where Progressive Rock is selling Albums.
After the unsucessfull album Tales.................., Yes have resently had some sucess with the instrumental Jazz Fussion album Graduately going Relayer. Anderson was kicked, now preforming as a broadway musical singer.
Bad news, the relatively unknown acid/stoner rock outfit Pink Floyd, have all died after trying to fly a kite formed as a pig, from the Big Ben tower, rumors say they were all freaking high on acid.
Edited by tamijo - August 06 2013 at 08:58
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Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 09:10
If Spirit had accepted the invitation to play at Woodstock, their popularity would have been given a timely boost, and the 1970 release of Twelve Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus would have become the new standard in mainstream progressive rock, it would have become one of the longest running chart entries in rock history, and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon would merely have been praised as a continuation and refinement of the studio experimentation that Spirit began.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 09:45
tamijo wrote:
Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying.
Since when has Fripp ever cared about the audience.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 11:22
The.Crimson.King wrote:
3) Syd Barrett was able to pull himself together and Pink Floyd continued as a 5 piece with both Syd and David Gilmour.
Since PF actually did spend a very short time as a 5 piece I think this is a fascinating alternate reality. Their original plan was for Gilmour to handle the live performances and Syd to remain the lyricist/songwriter behind the scenes (like Keith Reid of Procol). PF would have remained a psych-prog hybrid with a cult audience. With Syd still writing the songs the whole writing trio of Gilmour/Waters/Wright would never have developed. Further, without Syd becoming an acid casualty, there'd have been no lunatic to inspire "Brain Damage" or anyone for the band to "Wish You Were Here".
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I don't understand the whole "acid fried-Syd Barrett's mind" excuse/scenario. The smartest man I've ever met worked 35 years for Dow Chemical as their world-wide go-to fix-the-crisis man. He claims to have taken well over 100 acid trips (as well as many other mind-altering substances) in the sixties and seventies and never "fried his brain." Please help me understand Syd's story in more depth and detail. . .
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I don't understand the whole "acid fried-Syd Barrett's mind" excuse/scenario. The smartest man I've ever met worked 35 years for Dow Chemical as their world-wide go-to fix-the-crisis man. He claims to have taken well over 100 acid trips (as well as many other mind-altering substances) in the sixties and seventies and never "fried his brain." Please help me understand Syd's story in more depth and detail. . .
Rather than pick over Syd's life, I suggest you look into Peter Green's life story to see the effect of drug use on a fragile mind.
I don't understand the whole "acid fried-Syd Barrett's mind" excuse/scenario. The smartest man I've ever met worked 35 years for Dow Chemical as their world-wide go-to fix-the-crisis man. He claims to have taken well over 100 acid trips (as well as many other mind-altering substances) in the sixties and seventies and never "fried his brain." Please help me understand Syd's story in more depth and detail. . .
Rather than pick over Syd's life, I suggest you look into Peter Green's life story to see the effect of drug use on a fragile mind.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 15:18
Dean wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
I don't understand the whole "acid fried-Syd Barrett's mind" excuse/scenario. The smartest man I've ever met worked 35 years for Dow Chemical as their world-wide go-to fix-the-crisis man. He claims to have taken well over 100 acid trips (as well as many other mind-altering substances) in the sixties and seventies and never "fried his brain." Please help me understand Syd's story in more depth and detail. . .
Rather than pick over Syd's life, I suggest you look into Peter Green's life story to see the effect of drug use on a fragile mind.
I'd add that not everyone reacts to the same psychoactive drug in the same way. What can be a mind expanding experience for one could easily be mind poison to the psyche of another...hence why basing a decision on the fact that since whoever has taken whatever "100 times" so what's the big deal is so dangerous. Sadly for music lovers and especially himself, Syd rolled the dice and lost.
I'd highly recommend the book, "Lost in the Woods: Syd Barrett and the Pink Floyd".
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 16:55
^Barrett was schizophrenic, and would have developed that condition whether he took acid or not. LSD does not cause schizophrenia, though it can cause it to erupt in the mind of those predisposed towards it.
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 16:55
Why is there such a big deal about Syd Barrett? He was only really on one Floyd album. I guess he provided them for fodder for albums like DSOTM, WYWH and the Wall. After Waters was out out of the fold the band finally grew up and concentrated on making music not associated with fried out brains on illicit drugs
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Posted: August 06 2013 at 23:31
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^Barrett was schizophrenic, and would have developed that condition whether he took acid or not. LSD does not cause schizophrenia, though it can cause it to erupt in the mind of those predisposed towards it.
Not sure I agree that his schizophrenia would have progressed to the same degree without LSD as I believe it was the catalyst which led to his disintegration. On the other hand, I agree that he was predisposed to instability as the early band history is full of stories of Syd having an increasingly difficult time dealing with the pressures of their success...such as the record company constantly badgering him for the next hit single (as he wrote all their singles and 10 of the 11 songs on the 1st album) or requiring him to appear on "Top of the Pop's" which he strongly opposed and eventually lead to his first infamous public meltdown.
Either way, his descent was a terrible tragedy and listening to his final solo album Opel (a collection of outtakes from his 2 official solo albums) is a painful illustration of his ultimate mental deterioration. Would he have cracked without LSD? Possibly, but I don't think to nearly the same degree.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:26
Vibrationbaby wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Fripp explains the change in KC style to the BBC reporter
As a proffesional touring musician, you are working with the listner, and after years of denying what the listner wants, we have now come to a bridge of knowlage, they wants short easy basic R&B, thats what we are supplying.
Since when has Fripp ever cared about the audience.
Never, but it seems he sometimes cares about the money.
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:39
The.Crimson.King wrote:
presdoug wrote:
^Barrett was schizophrenic, and would have developed that condition whether he took acid or not. LSD does not cause schizophrenia, though it can cause it to erupt in the mind of those predisposed towards it.
Not sure I agree that his schizophrenia would have progressed to the same degree without LSD as I believe it was the catalyst which led to his disintegration. On the other hand, I agree that he was predisposed to instability as the early band history is full of stories of Syd having an increasingly difficult time dealing with the pressures of their success...such as the record company constantly badgering him for the next hit single (as he wrote all their singles and 10 of the 11 songs on the 1st album) or requiring him to appear on "Top of the Pop's" which he strongly opposed and eventually lead to his first infamous public meltdown.
Either way, his descent was a terrible tragedy and listening to his final solo album Opel (a collection of outtakes from his 2 official solo albums) is a painful illustration of his ultimate mental deterioration. Would he have cracked without LSD? Possibly, but I don't think to nearly the same degree.
To make matters worse, most people in music (and others) did not just take 100 LSD trips, it was a mix of trips, alcohol, other types of drugs and cannabis.
At i can say from my personal relations that this coctail will result in various degrees of mental short and long term problems, not to everyone, some are extreemly strong, but to many many people.
Edited by tamijo - August 07 2013 at 08:40
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Posted: August 07 2013 at 08:44
^^yeah, i agree that such abuse makes for their own mental problems as well as making the underlying mental conditions worse in consequence. And it really is a tragic and sad story. (I have Opel, and actually quite like it)
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