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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:10
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Both "Year of the Cat" and "Time Passages" were awesome albums by Al Stewart.  With Alan Parsons' production, they often have a progressive aspect to them.   Songs like "One Stage Before" and "Life in Dark Water" are both so delightfully creepy.  I think the prog folk team have considered him before.
 
Yeah, he was considered and rejected, and appropriately so IMHO.  I really like the guy's stuff but I don't see where he qualifies as progressive by any stretch.  I think he was a commercially-minded artist from pretty early on, not unlike Elton John or Rod Stewart except with a little more folk in his repertoire.
 
 
I havn't heard everything but Past,Present and Future was made before Year Of The Cat and was obviously not 'commercial' in approach at all. Probably Alan Parsons lead him in that direction but then we are taliking about the producer of DSOTM so its still quite distinctive music if more radio friendly. However if you allow a band like 10CC in does that not open the door for others like Al Stewart? Elton John has also been considered and its only a matter of time before he is in PA imo. The Rod Stewart anology I don't get at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2012 at 09:15
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Both "Year of the Cat" and "Time Passages" were awesome albums by Al Stewart.  With Alan Parsons' production, they often have a progressive aspect to them.   Songs like "One Stage Before" and "Life in Dark Water" are both so delightfully creepy.  I think the prog folk team have considered him before.
 
Yeah, he was considered and rejected, and appropriately so IMHO.  I really like the guy's stuff but I don't see where he qualifies as progressive by any stretch.  I think he was a commercially-minded artist from pretty early on, not unlike Elton John or Rod Stewart except with a little more folk in his repertoire.
 
 
I havn't heard everything but Past,Present and Future was made before Year Of The Cat and was obviously not 'commercial' in approach at all. Probably Alan Parsons lead him in that direction but then we are taliking about the producer of DSOTM so its still quite distinctive music if more radio friendly. However if you allow a band like 10CC in does that not open the door for others like Al Stewart? Elton John has also been considered and its only a matter of time before he is in PA imo. The Rod Stewart anology I don't get at all.

I would add that being commercial minded should have nothing to do with whether an artist gets into PA at all, witness PINK FLOYD and ALAN PARSONS.  I agree that comparing Al Stewart to Rod Stewart makes little sense.  Cat Stevens would be a better analogy, but with much more of a historical interest, and less of the sense of a lost soul searching for personal meaning.  None of this is to say that I think he should be in PA, but I also don't think it would be the worst inclusion by a long shot.  Now Rod Stewart, that might enough to send me for the exits!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2012 at 13:40
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I certainly agree about Morricone and Swans (The Seer is 2012 best album by far (Well, of the dozen of so I've heard). 

I'll nominate Egisto Macchi myself. I should come back and do some explaining later, cause I haven't got the time right now. Genius italian Soundtrack/Library composer only rivaled by his friend Morricone as innovator and inventor of styles with a link to avantgarde/electroacustic/20th Century Classical... as well as a handful of progressive rock genres such as progressive electronic, Jazz rock fusion, psychedelic rock, R.I.O. mm...


... and Raymond Scott as well. but I'd mainly nominate him for his extremely innovative Swing In Opposition of the 30s with his mindblowing quintette. Compostitions suh as Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry CannibalsConfusion Among a Fleet of Taxicabs Upon Meeting With a FareWar Dance for Wooden IndiansBoy Scout in Switzerland, Celebration on the Planet Mars, New Year's Eve in a Haunted House (ok so I just picked his wildest titles)... should please and progfan demanding virtuosity and complex compostions.



I agree with Egisto Macchi -- what a great composer he is (I tried to collect most of his albums).  I actually wanted to mention him myself, but I knew you would.  I should look into more Raymond Scott.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 23:37
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm torn between two artists but I will stick with the one I have most albums by Al Stewart.

I agree. I was surprised when I found he isn't in PA. He certainly belongs. Probably Crossover Prog. Ambrosia's in, presumably because their first album was light semi-prog and produced by Alan Parsons. Supertramp had some big hits, so why would it be a problem that Al Stewart also had some hits?

More I want to see in: Spiritualized (makes no sense at all that Spacemen 3's in PA, but not Spiritualized), Sonny Sharrock (again, how can Last Exit be in PA, but not Sharrock?), Flaming Lips, Future Sound of London, The OrbAphex Twin, Boards of Canada...

Someone else mentioned Pere Ubu. That's interesting; it never occurred to me, but I could definitely get behind that. The Modern Dance and Dub Housing are masterpieces, as is the early singles collection Terminal Tower. They're nothing like Captain Beefheart, but I imagine fans of him would go ga-ga over Pere Ubu.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2013 at 01:17
I'd like to see BUGGLES as, at least,a Prog-Related entry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2013 at 17:38
Michel Colombier, symphonic jazz-rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 03:56
Living Colour ...at least for Prog related. Surely they are more prog in many elements than some that are already on PA. Also their guitarist Vernon Reid for his solo stuff.

Oh and Martin Barre for his solo stuff. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:58
Originally posted by BarryGlibb<b> BarryGlibb wrote:

Living Colour ...at least for Prog related.
Surely they are more prog in many elements than some that are already on PA. Also their guitarist Vernon Reid for his solo stuff.

Oh and Martin Barre for his solo stuff. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:07
They probably have been mentioned before but it boggles my mind that The Flaming Lips aren't in the archives....they are definitely prog and psych and have coverd both Floyd and Crimson live on tours.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:25
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

They probably have been mentioned before but it boggles my mind that The Flaming Lips aren't in the archives....they are definitely prog and psych and have coverd both Floyd and Crimson live on tours.


Primus covers Rush all the time- that doesn't make them prog



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:43
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

They probably have been mentioned before but it boggles my mind that The Flaming Lips aren't in the archives....they are definitely prog and psych and have covered both Floyd and Crimson live on tours.


Primus covers Rush all the time- that doesn't make them prog

What makes them worthy of this site is "Embryonic," and some of the albums that went before. They're as Crossover Prog as Radiohead are.

If Mercury Rev is in PA, then how can one justify leaving the Flaming Lips out? (Mercury Rev grew out of the Lips; they share the same producer; the Flaming Lips are far more proggy, psychedelic, spacy, and experimental.) If Can had made "Embryonic," we'd be calling it their greatest album yet. If Pink Floyd had made "Pompeii Am Götterdämmerung," we'd be calling it one of their greatest tracks.

By the way, the Flaming Lips's tribute albums to Dark Side of the Moon and King Crimson's ITCOTCK *are* in PA - I put them there. I'm still waiting for the Flaming Lips themselves to be admitted. That they belong, I don't have the slightest doubt.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 00:22

The Flaming Lips have a new album coming out, called The Terror. Some webzines have already reviewed it, and so far it's garnering high praise. I hope it's as good as they say; I can't wait to hear it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 01:48
Heh heh. Onto my old bugbear with PA. Why Stratovarius aren't represented here is beyond me but I've fought that good fight before with no joy - admittedly that was around four or so years ago. Sure, they are Power Metal in style however I've found many of the recipe's for prog music in their music. I challenge anyone to listen to their Destiny track, their Back to Madness track, either of their Elements albums and then tell me that these guys don't deserve a spot on Progarchives. There are many "prog" bands represented here that are way less prog than Strat is however that is not where my argument vectors from. My argument vectors from the fact that simply the prog structures needed for music to be regarded as prog are included in much of their music and also in the fact that many other reputible sources list Stratovarius as prog. Go quietly into this good night is not going to apply to me relating to my argument for Strat's inclusion on PA.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:44
I've mentioned Funkadelic here before, their mythology of being alien in origin, Pedro Bell's sleeve artwork,  and such tracks as "Promentalsh*tbackwashpsychosis Enema Squad (The Doo-Doo Chasers)" and "Maggot Brain" all add up to some sort of space rock/funk.  Here's a chunk of a concert, tell me this isn't just a little bit prog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ4uu_MIitg
 
And then there's PiL. 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:55
Recently got The Police - Ghost In The Machine. I think there might be a case for them based on that and Synchronicity. Perhaps 'Prog related' as Copeland was married to Sonja Kristina at one timeSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 03:06
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Recently got The Police - Ghost In The Machine. I think there might be a case for them based on that and Synchronicity. Perhaps 'Prog related' as Copeland was married to Sonja Kristina at one timeSmile
 
don't forget Andy Summers played in the orchestral version of Tubular Bells, and did albums with Robert Fripp, and was in Soft Machine Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:42

Oh no, not the Police. We already have to contend with Phil Collins. Now *Sting*? eeeeeeeek. Cry LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:48
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Recently got The Police - Ghost In The Machine. I think there might be a case for them based on that and Synchronicity. Perhaps 'Prog related' as Copeland was married to Sonja Kristina at one timeSmile
 
don't forget Andy Summers played in the orchestral version of Tubular Bells, and did albums with Robert Fripp, and was in Soft Machine Wink

I don't know how you came by that info. The guitar on OTB is Mike Oldfield.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:57
Even if the current guidelines for Prog Electronic don't really support it, then I'd rather like to see one of the most progressive and far reaching modern electronic acts up in here. I'm of course speaking about The Future Sound Of London. And if people want prog credentials applied to them, then they need not look any further than monsieur Fripp, who was a big fan during the 90s...

Their double album Lifeforms as well as the darker and infinitely more menacing feel of Dead Cities - together captures the very essence of what 'progressive music' means - and what it can achieve at times.

Here's Lifeforms for ya:



They are in fact included on PA, only in their latter day form - also known as Amorphous Androgenous where they play around with a modern electronic version of the music from the late sixties. It's very original and infectious, but in regards to innovativeness and pushing things forth and beyond - it doesn't really hold a candle to FSOL imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:08
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Even if the current guidelines for Prog Electronic don't really support it, then I'd rather like to see one of the most progressive and far reaching modern electronic acts up in here. I'm of course speaking about The Future Sound Of London. 

I agree 100%. There are 3 different categories for metal here at PA: Experimental/Post Metal, Progressive Metal, Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. Yet only one for electronic prog. I find this deeply conservative. When trends in metal continue to develop, PA is there to create new categories. Well, big news: Electronic continued to develop after the 1970s, influenced by Eno and Tangerine Dream and Jarre and Vangelis and particularly Kraftwerk and Pink Floyd.

They find it so hard to create a new category for electronic, yet when bands like Godspeed and the Battles come along, BAM, new category: Post Rock/Math Rock.

Sorry, but the electric guitar is only half the story of prog rock. Electronica is the other half. Who were the pioneers in the moog and mellotron and synths? Progsters. It's the heritage and tradition, yet PA's done a piss poor job of charting this and keeping up with it, and claiming it.


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