Favourite artist/band you'd rather like in PA
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Topic: Favourite artist/band you'd rather like in PA
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Favourite artist/band you'd rather like in PA
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 11:52
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This is not a Suggest New Bands/ Artists topic. It is a place for people to mention one favourite of thers that is not in the Prog Archives database, but would have some desire to see included. Forget about the work of preparing the addition and the toil of making a good case for the artist/ band, and forget about what the teams would say, and any fears of having it shot-down. This is not about if it could be included or if the addition is even warranted, but please limit to ones that you believe there is a case for (though you don't have to spell out the case). I don't really want to hear about people's reasons for not wanting particular artists in, nor any acrimony regarding the act not being in the database. As for reasons why you might like a band or artist in, those are your own. Whether said artists should be included is not my purpose of this topic, nor is questioning the general premise. Let's try to make this thread positive and affable. If you won't say one, then this topic is not meant for you. For me it's Ennio Morricone. I now have about 30 albums by him, and he has been my most listened to artist of the last three years, I think. The more I get of his, the more remarkable I find him. A big chunk of my collection of his is from the early 70s, but I also love music by him from the 60s to mid 70s, and then various subsequent albums. I'm listening again to Il Gatto a Nova Code (1970) as I speak (one of my faves of his). Yesterday I was in more of a La Donna Invisible mood. I can always think of an album by him that I feel like listening to any given time, and I often get addicted to particular albums of his.. Some days ago I did a mini-marathon of the albums I have of his after taking a little break from his music. As for why I have had any desire to see any act in PA: I'm not really a reviewer, so it's not the opportunity to review. I can't say that I have enjoyed writing bios (would often take me considerable hours to do), but having an act in the database can aid discussion, and I find the notion of certain inclusions quite exciting. I was excited about Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, and Terry Riley being included. There are many little-known names that I think could quite easily find a place, but these bigger-known more challenging potential inclusions that actually may have some effect on the direction of the site are more interesting to me. |
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 11:53
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I'd like to see Nurse With Wound here. I know the discography would be a pain, but if Current 93 can make it so should they. Also, Raymond Scott for Prog Electronic. I don't see how anyone could argue against that. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 11:57
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I always thought Mott The Hoople would fit nice in Prog Related. Not my favourite band by any means but I do enjoy their album "The Hoople" a lot. Oh..also Magazine. Defintely would fit in with PR imo ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 12:00
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I think a case could be made for certain modern groups who are more closely identified with indie rock, but who in my opinion are doing a lot to progress music forward. The Fiery Furnaces, for example. Just not sure what genre they would fit in. Maybe a new genre for these kind of bands. Not that I'm suggesting we do this, mind you. I'd be just as happy spending time populating data for the bands already here. I can think of several good reasons why The Swans would make a good addition to Post-Rock, though I can think of just as many reasons why they wouldn't too. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 12:25
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I would really like to see Type O Negative here. Their style, creativity and originality should definitely be recognized. I have all their albums and I must say they've never released any crap. I wouldn't call them prog per se and nor would they, but still they might appeal to the non traditional and more experimental listener. They have quite an exciting sound with heavy keys and fuzzed guitars and a ridiculous low tone vocalist (which I happen to love). The band mixes a lot of humor in their music and doesn't sound like any other band. Recommended. |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 12:33
| I'd dig seeing Sheila Chandra as indo-prog/raga rock; that prog branch needs more members anyways. She could also be prog-related. Her roots were with an innovative early 80s pop group (Monsoon), but some of her 80s solo stuff was pretty out there, particularly her Quiet and Nada Brahma (which boasts an almost 27 minute song). The 90s brought her into Peter Gabriels RealWorld label where she released three drone-based avant-garde-ish CDs that boast some incredible singing, especially Weaving My Ancestors Voice, which intertwines various vocal & lyrical styles from the East & West (hence the album title). That album also has a couple of her "Speaking In Tongues" pieces which are as insane as they are cool. Her last abum, This Sentence Is True, is really avant garde, Any artist with a song called "Is" should be considered somewhat proggish, and the song "True" is a complete monster. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 16:11
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Helloween, a reference for all power prog metal bands. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 16:27
This one at least? http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/type-o-negative--the-origin-of-the-feces.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/type-o-negative--the-origin-of-the-feces.aspx You're welcome to review their stuff at MMA, if you wish.  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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sagichim wrote:Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 17:37
| Helmut Koellen for Prog Related. He's my favorite musician, and prog related. Nuff said. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:00
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Personally, even though I'm not hugely knowlegible about the genre I think there should be a "progressive punk" or similar genre. Within I'd put, at the very least: Swans Killing Joke The Cure ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead The latter, at least for their latest album, could fit 'as-is' in Crossover Prog as well. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:26
That band annoyed the hell out of me when I worked at a record store, because they changed their name to Trail of the Dead, so you had half their albums under A and the other half under T. Don't change the name of your band once you're established! The one that was even worse than that was when Pink started labeling herself as P!nk and it would not come up in our database if you typed it with an i instead of a !. Stupid. -------------
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Posted By: WanderingLogician
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:27
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The Velvet Underground.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:39
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Pere Ubu
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:41
| Faith No More is my favorite band that's not listed in the PA, I don't know if they'd necessarily fit in here though. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: October 18 2012 at 22:55
 That's right. What a disgusting cover! Actually the album is pretty decent, I have the version without the Black Sabbath cover.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:03
They never actually changed their name. Maybe their record label decided to promote them under "Trail of Dead" for simplicity? By the way, I agree that they should be on PA. I'm listening to their newest album right now and am pleasantly surprised by the sheer energy of the first track. Unfortunately the production is completely brickwalled  |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:09
fantastic suggestion
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:10
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Judas Priest for Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny, Painkiller, and Nostradamus, but that is just picking at scabs. ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:22
I'm torn between two artists but I will stick with the one I have most albums by Al Stewart. If nothing else he was born in the same village as a certain Bob Fripp and in the distant past had guitar lessons off him ( he readily admits that none of it stuck though )
My favourite album by him is Last Days Of The Century. Ably assisted by superb guitarist Pete White he created a very nicely crafted set of songs bordering on art rock. Al's lyrics always have great imagery and an appreciation for history that seems to me to be a very prog thing (okay its probably comes from his folk roots as well.). Perhaps an even stronger contender for a prog album is Past, Present and Future. I urge anyone to check out the song Roads To Moscow who havn't heard it.
What category could he be considered for? Prog Folk most likely although Prog Related might also fit imo.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:30
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The Glutton
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 19 2012 at 17:18
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 03:23
Hi Doug
I would put up some links although but I'm not sure they are accessible your side of the Atlantic. I would check out the title track of Last Days Of The Century and also Ghostly Horses Of The Plain. Very interested to know what you think.
Good to know Al was huge in Canada although not as big as Gordon Lightfoot I guess?!
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 12:43
But thanks for the suggestions, i could sample those songs at a CD store locally, i will keep them in mind. Is there a kind of best of Al Stewart compilation Cd out there, that you might suggest? Yeah, i remember Time Passages and Year of the Cat doing really well in Canada, but don't recall any other of his albums really making an impact over here. He was big here, but not really for all that long Whenever i hear TP or YOTC, it kind of brings me back to a special time in my life.  Gordon Lightfoot's impact on and popularity in the Canadian music is much greater and longer lasting, in comparison. He has won many prestigious awards and honours in the Canadian music world. And he has been active here from the 60s up until recently. I must say in comparison, i prefer Al Stewart, though |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 13:21
| I'd love to see The Durutti Column in the database. They are kind of hard to classify. Here is classical-jazz guitar, there is Post-Rock minimalism, post-punk has its tiny place (not prog-related, but mentioned just to add to the range of styles), and the Progressive Electronic factor is pretty much everywhere. I guess they could nicely fit into Crossover Prog. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 13:23
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The The, not progressive by PA definition, but a huge star on my heaven. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 13:33
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I certainly agree about Morricone and Swans (The Seer is 2012 best album by far (Well, of the dozen of so I've heard). I'll nominate Egisto Macchi myself. I should come back and do some explaining later, cause I haven't got the time right now. Genius italian Soundtrack/Library composer only rivaled by his friend Morricone as innovator and inventor of styles with a link to avantgarde/electroacustic/20th Century Classical... as well as a handful of progressive rock genres such as progressive electronic, Jazz rock fusion, psychedelic rock, R.I.O. mm... ... and Raymond Scott as well. but I'd mainly nominate him for his extremely innovative Swing In Opposition of the 30s with his mindblowing quintette. Compostitions suh as Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals, Confusion Among a Fleet of Taxicabs Upon Meeting With a Fare, War Dance for Wooden Indians, Boy Scout in Switzerland, Celebration on the Planet Mars, New Year's Eve in a Haunted House (ok so I just picked his wildest titles)... should please and progfan demanding virtuosity and complex compostions.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 17:09
There are various compilations of Al Stewart most of which ignore Last Days Of The Century altogether (possibly contractural reasons) so the short answer is 'no'
However that album is so good that I would recommend getting it anyway. I would also recommend Live At The Roxy as it includes Nostradamus and Roads To Moscow (from Past Present and Future) as well as his 'greatest hits' like Year Of The Cat and On The Border. I have both those albums on my I-Pod and they will stay there until it (or me) dies!
Footnote - Al Stewart was born in Scotland although he grew up in the same village as Robert Fripp. I should perhaps have reaslised he was Scottish by his name DUH!
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 17:31
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I'll nominate Crass just for a change ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 18:57
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 20:30
| ^thanks, Richard, for your recommendations, i will do some investigating. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 22:36
| Both "Year of the Cat" and "Time Passages" were awesome albums by Al Stewart. With Alan Parsons' production, they often have a progressive aspect to them. Songs like "One Stage Before" and "Life in Dark Water" are both so delightfully creepy. I think the prog folk team have considered him before. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 22:47
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I'd love to see The Smashing pumpkins in here. Too bad they've been rejected multiple, and multiple times in the past, apparently.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 20 2012 at 22:53
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 01:38
I think its those albums though that convince people that he was 'AOR' and a commerical artist. Other albums show a more interesting side of him musically. Even Russians And Americans has this gem (apologies if you can't view it)
Peter White's keyboards are as proggy as anything you will find on any Al Stewart album.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 09:52
Yeah I don't think they would ever make it here but an interesting band nonetheless. I bought their first two records on cassette back in the mid-80s just because of the name. A little too British for an American to connect with IMHO, but they did manage to sound more intelligent and creative than the post-punk and New Wave that was filling the airwaves at the time. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 09:54
Yeah, he was considered and rejected, and appropriately so IMHO. I really like the guy's stuff but I don't see where he qualifies as progressive by any stretch. I think he was a commercially-minded artist from pretty early on, not unlike Elton John or Rod Stewart except with a little more folk in his repertoire. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 10:07
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Two bands come to my mind:
The Dutch band Machine, which released one album in 1970. I suggested them in February 2011 (rejected by Crossover, maybe fit for PR? Or Heavy???).'
Velvet Underground. They are named quite often before, and not only by me. They can be credited with the invention of Art Rock and therefore they should be in Proto Prog, if not for other reasons.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 10:34
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It'll never happen but IMHO Gram Parsons would be an awesome addition here, not only because his musical outlook was inherently progressive but because of the discussions it would open up into the relationship of rock (including progressive) to jazz, blues and other forms of American folk, and of blues to country, and of country to rock. There are direct lines from Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris to artists as varied as Kansas, Bob Dylan, T. Rex, Black Sabbath, Gentle Giant, Nick Lowe, Rolling Stones and even the Beatles that are so obvious and historical and interesting and ignored that it's almost irritating. Unfortunately American country has a bad rap today, but when Parsons was getting started the idea of applying rock instrumentation and arrangements to country and folk standards was so revolutionary it was almost sacrilegious. IMHO a case could be made that the face of pop, country and rock would be immeasurably different today if Gram Parsons hadn't led the first International Submarine Band release and the Byrd's 'Sweetheart of the Rodeo'.  ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 11:11
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I wish Lindisfarne was here at least once a week, but they have been rejected by prog folk and even prog related, so it isn't going to happen.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 12:09
| Swans. Their new album, The Seer, would fit here for sure. Not sure what genre though. Either post-rock or avant. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:10
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 09:15
I would add that being commercial minded should have nothing to do with whether an artist gets into PA at all, witness PINK FLOYD and ALAN PARSONS. I agree that comparing Al Stewart to Rod Stewart makes little sense. Cat Stevens would be a better analogy, but with much more of a historical interest, and less of the sense of a lost soul searching for personal meaning. None of this is to say that I think he should be in PA, but I also don't think it would be the worst inclusion by a long shot. Now Rod Stewart, that might enough to send me for the exits!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 13:40
I agree with Egisto Macchi -- what a great composer he is (I tried to collect most of his albums). I actually wanted to mention him myself, but I knew you would. I should look into more Raymond Scott. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 23:37
I agree. I was surprised when I found he isn't in PA. He certainly belongs. Probably Crossover Prog. Ambrosia's in, presumably because their first album was light semi-prog and produced by Alan Parsons. Supertramp had some big hits, so why would it be a problem that Al Stewart also had some hits? More I want to see in: Spiritualized (makes no sense at all that Spacemen 3's in PA, but not Spiritualized), Sonny Sharrock (again, how can Last Exit be in PA, but not Sharrock?), Flaming Lips, Future Sound of London, The Orb, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada... Someone else mentioned Pere Ubu. That's interesting; it never occurred to me, but I could definitely get behind that. The Modern Dance and Dub Housing are masterpieces, as is the early singles collection Terminal Tower. They're nothing like Captain Beefheart, but I imagine fans of him would go ga-ga over Pere Ubu.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 01:17
| I'd like to see BUGGLES as, at least,a Prog-Related entry. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 17:38
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Michel Colombier, symphonic jazz-rock.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 03:56
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Living Colour ...at least for Prog related. Surely they are more prog in many elements than some that are already on PA. Also their guitarist Vernon Reid for his solo stuff. Oh and Martin Barre for his solo stuff.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:58
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:07
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They probably have been mentioned before but it boggles my mind that The Flaming Lips aren't in the archives....they are definitely prog and psych and have coverd both Floyd and Crimson live on tours. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:25
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 26 2013 at 23:43
What makes them worthy of this site is "Embryonic," and some of the albums that went before. They're as Crossover Prog as Radiohead are. If Mercury Rev is in PA, then how can one justify leaving the Flaming Lips out? (Mercury Rev grew out of the Lips; they share the same producer; the Flaming Lips are far more proggy, psychedelic, spacy, and experimental.) If Can had made "Embryonic," we'd be calling it their greatest album yet. If Pink Floyd had made "Pompeii Am Götterdämmerung," we'd be calling it one of their greatest tracks. By the way, the Flaming Lips's tribute albums to Dark Side of the Moon and King Crimson's ITCOTCK *are* in PA - I put them there. I'm still waiting for the Flaming Lips themselves to be admitted. That they belong, I don't have the slightest doubt. - Flaming Lips's DSOTM: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40939" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40939 - The King Crimson tribute: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40940" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40940
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 00:22
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The Flaming Lips have a new album coming out, called The Terror. Some webzines have already reviewed it, and so far it's garnering high praise. I hope it's as good as they say; I can't wait to hear it. Some reviews: http://www.goldenplec.com/the-flaming-lips-the-terror-review/" rel="nofollow - http://www.goldenplec.com/the-flaming-lips-the-terror-review/ , http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/178074/9" rel="nofollow - http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/178074/9 , http://vinylmag.org/review-the-flaming-lips-the-terror/" rel="nofollow - http://vinylmag.org/review-the-flaming-lips-the-terror/ , http://drownedinsound.com/releases/17550/reviews/4146227" rel="nofollow - http://drownedinsound.com/releases/17550/reviews/4146227 , http://speakercreatures.com/review-the-terror-by-the-flaming-lips/" rel="nofollow - http://speakercreatures.com/review-the-terror-by-the-flaming-lips/ |
Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 01:48
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Heh heh. Onto my old bugbear with PA. Why Stratovarius aren't represented here is beyond me but I've fought that good fight before with no joy - admittedly that was around four or so years ago. Sure, they are Power Metal in style however I've found many of the recipe's for prog music in their music. I challenge anyone to listen to their Destiny track, their Back to Madness track, either of their Elements albums and then tell me that these guys don't deserve a spot on Progarchives. There are many "prog" bands represented here that are way less prog than Strat is however that is not where my argument vectors from. My argument vectors from the fact that simply the prog structures needed for music to be regarded as prog are included in much of their music and also in the fact that many other reputible sources list Stratovarius as prog. Go quietly into this good night is not going to apply to me relating to my argument for Strat's inclusion on PA.
Just a track chosen at random from Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1KJ6qIOvM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1KJ6qIOvM lol, hope I'm allowed to place that here but if it helps bring attention to Strat then that's my aim.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:44
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I've mentioned Funkadelic here before, their mythology of being alien in origin, Pedro Bell's sleeve artwork, and such tracks as "Promentalsh*tbackwashpsychosis Enema Squad (The Doo-Doo Chasers)" and "Maggot Brain" all add up to some sort of space rock/funk. Here's a chunk of a concert, tell me this isn't just a little bit prog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ4uu_MIitg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ4uu_MIitg And then there's PiL. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:55
Recently got The Police - Ghost In The Machine. I think there might be a case for them based on that and Synchronicity. Perhaps 'Prog related' as Copeland was married to Sonja Kristina at one time
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 03:06
don't forget Andy Summers played in the orchestral version of Tubular Bells, and did albums with Robert Fripp, and was in Soft Machine ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:42
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Oh no, not the Police. We already have to contend with Phil Collins. Now *Sting*? eeeeeeeek.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:48
I don't know how you came by that info. The guitar on OTB is Mike Oldfield. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 06:57
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Even if the current guidelines for Prog Electronic don't really support it, then I'd rather like to see one of the most progressive and far reaching modern electronic acts up in here. I'm of course speaking about The Future Sound Of London. And if people want prog credentials applied to them, then they need not look any further than monsieur Fripp, who was a big fan during the 90s... Their double album Lifeforms as well as the darker and infinitely more menacing feel of Dead Cities - together captures the very essence of what 'progressive music' means - and what it can achieve at times. Here's Lifeforms for ya: They are in fact included on PA, only in their latter day form - also known as Amorphous Androgenous where they play around with a modern electronic version of the music from the late sixties. It's very original and infectious, but in regards to innovativeness and pushing things forth and beyond - it doesn't really hold a candle to FSOL imo.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:08
I agree 100%. There are 3 different categories for metal here at PA: Experimental/Post Metal, Progressive Metal, Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. Yet only one for electronic prog. I find this deeply conservative. When trends in metal continue to develop, PA is there to create new categories. Well, big news: Electronic continued to develop after the 1970s, influenced by Eno and Tangerine Dream and Jarre and Vangelis and particularly Kraftwerk and Pink Floyd. They find it so hard to create a new category for electronic, yet when bands like Godspeed and the Battles come along, BAM, new category: Post Rock/Math Rock. Sorry, but the electric guitar is only half the story of prog rock. Electronica is the other half. Who were the pioneers in the moog and mellotron and synths? Progsters. It's the heritage and tradition, yet PA's done a piss poor job of charting this and keeping up with it, and claiming it.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:18
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From being a member of the prog electronic team here on PA, I can safely say that we've had our discussions back and forth, but just remember this: PE is the sole category on PA that includes rockless music. That has to do with heritage and where it all started. It's justification for even being on the site, is in part that you can't distinguish it from the Krautrock scene - it was the same. Largely boiled down to the Berlin School and the avantguarde. By that definition, and obviously also in order to help focus the site on the rock part of the equation, what then gets in on PA are the acts who have continued in that tradition. For better or worse that has indeed kept the site clear of what many probably would have felt was an opening to all sorts of music - now it didn't even have to about rock. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:32
All that makes sense, when you put it that way  |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:41
Hell, I'll be the first to say that what I personally believe to be the current "most progressive" music out there(what an absolute lame phrase ), will probably never get in on PA, and that's probably fine I guess. But yes, electronic music in general has moved at a furious speed - branched out in all kinds of facets, in part due to all of the new gimmicks and instruments being used. Also original folk music - I'm talking Romanian with harmonicas and the whole shabang - that kind of music is experiencing a haul-over in various back yards of European capitals. Now it's moved into punk territory and ska silhouettes, which makes for a seriously cool party, I might add  Again highly progressive if you ask me, but I couldn't see it on here.------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:44
Yes, I know you're a fan of electronica; I didn't know you're on the PA team, now that I know you are, I can rest assured that there's attempts to expand electronica. I don't know if this works, but I had a "eureka" moment. Since we have a post-rock category, how about a post-electronic prog category? This would only allow for those electronic acts that seem to be carrying on in the tradition of the electronic progsters: Future Sound of London, Aphex Twin and some of the other Warp acts, Boards of Canada... Oh but determining which electronic act is in that tradition, and which isn't, could be pretty subjective, I guess... It could be an imperfect, temporary solution, as the language becomes more finely grafted...
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 13:44
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Sorry I missed your edit, but yes you may be on to something there! Let it be no secret, that all of those acts you just mentioned indeed are ones I personally would like to see on here - plus Caribou and Zoviet France ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:58
Forget the over-enthusiastic reviews I posted. I'm listening now to the new Flaming Lips' album The Terror, and sadly I think it's pretty weak.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 19:27
I couldn't agree more......there are many bands in here who barely qualify imho as prog rock and many like the Lips who definitely qualify. I don't know who makes the decisions on the categories but imho they are certainly 'wrong' in some cases and btw I'm 62 years old and have heard it all over the years and been into prog since 1968-9 so I'm not some youngster with no experience. I'm willing to bet I have heard as much if not more prog than some who are on the panels here. That's just my 2 cents but at times the classifications and bands listed here seem 'off' imho. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 03:01
to be fair Sting's solo music is much better than Collins
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 28 2013 at 08:56
Yes, that's very true
I was only kidding about Sting :-) |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 07:42
I got it from reading about it online. http://tubular.net/forums/live-orchestral-tubular-bells--?act=ST;f=20;t=7905" rel="nofollow - http://tubular.net/forums/live-orchestral-tubular-bells--?act=ST;f=20;t=7905 http://www.topix.com/forum/who/sting/TMH3I35UAHSQKIVI4" rel="nofollow - http://www.topix.com/forum/who/sting/TMH3I35UAHSQKIVI4 ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: CrimsonKing777
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 02:31
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I'm listening the new Soilwork album, The Living Infinite lately... I've always loved the band and its progress till now. My favourite albums was Natural Born Chaos (with Devin Townsend contribution), Stabbing The Drama, Figure Number Five, The Panic Broadcast, and it seems the latest album will be a favourite of mine too. The band continues to suprise me with each album, the previous one indicated some further experimenting with song structures, atmospherics, vocal harmonies, proggy riffs, time sigs, different verse/chorus/bridge combinations, interesting intros/outros, acoustic parts, instrumentals, more technical approach, bluesy sections, nice keys.. With this new double concept album (nearly one and a half hour playing time) it's clear they progressed more. First disk is including generally straight-forward 3-4 min. songs, but there are some experimental songs also, such as the first part of mini epic Living Infinite, atmospheric Vesta (probably some influence from Between The Buried and Me) , The Windswept Mercy (almost feels like Devin Townsend from Ocean Machine era.) and Whispers and Lights as instance.Their influence from Devin Townsend and bands like Opeth is becaming obvious in songs like these I think. Second disk include more mellow pieces and some longer and more experimental compositions such as Long Live The Misanthrope, beautiful atmospheric Antidotes In Passing (with post-rockish intro and full clean singing of Bjorn), second part of the Living Infinite, Parasite Blues and Owls Predict, Oracles Stand Guard, which reminds me a little bit of Katatonia. Also bands like Dark Tranquility, Scar Symmetry comes to mind throughout the album. The album quickly grew on me, I think this may be the best thing they have produced so far. What you guys think, let me know... ------------- I cannot reach my old account so I opened a new one. (the old one is (De)progressive) Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley |