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Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:20
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
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FWIW, I don't know if England's historical bad will and constant interference for European progress has been spurted from that first refusal of entry in the European club back in 63, but I'm not favourable to design a special English status, especially in light of Cameron's blackmail
Soooo, IN or OUT, fine by me (but if you're in, then you accept it to the full extent >> like it or not, all the others are accepting thisl, whether some of these adjustments are somewhate detrimental to the inner balance of a member-state).... but no special status (they're enough a Trojan horse already as it is)... Unless you want one like Turkey or Morocco
QUOTE=Blacksword]My instincts say no. But then what do I know? In fact what does anyone really know? It's a complex issue and to to get clear unbiased information from either camp is impossible. I like the idea of the Swiss position; have constructive trade agreements but remain completely autonomous in law making at every level.
To be honest though, I think consulting the British people would be an exercise in futility. Many of us are still stuck on straight bananas and spuds by the pound..[/QUOTE]
Actually, I find Cameron particularly coward (but then again, what to expect from a Tory, right??) for proposing the referrendum AFTER the next election.... If he's so intent on leaving, do the referendum before that date.... What he's actually doing here is taking hostage Europe and buying himself a second mandate at Downing Street by cajolling the ultra-rich tax-fiends like Mittal and the people who suck up to them
Edited by Sean Trane - January 28 2013 at 07:29
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:33
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 09:24
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 09:36
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 10:24
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 11:06
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
I don't think we want it back.
Definitely not.
Tell that to the rioters in Belfast about the UJ issue...
How about them Flalklands??
Edited by Sean Trane - January 28 2013 at 11:07
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: January 28 2013 at 11:09
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
I don't think we want it back.
Definitely not.
Tell that to the rioters in Belfast about the UJ issue...
Last time I looked on a map that is a different country, but better still - you tell them.
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Posted: January 29 2013 at 03:00
I'm American, so I'm wondering where the "Who f-ing cares." option is. Everything else is...well, this was too much effort already. Just figure it out and keep quiet about it, would you please? We just want some fun places with old stuff to visit once or twice in a lifetime to then come home and talk about and show pictures of for a decade.
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Posted: January 29 2013 at 03:08
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE.
The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England.
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends...
...'cos that worked-out so well for the Irish.
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
wow.... Dean and I agreeing on something....
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
I don't think we want it back.
Definitely not.
Tell that to the rioters in Belfast about the UJ issue...
Last time I looked on a map that is a different country, but better still - you tell them.
You're right, Ulster (or as you call it Northern Ireland) is a different than England
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
How about them Falklands??
Ha, the well known typing error.
You're absolutely right... The Malvinas
*frinspar* wrote:
I'm American, so I'm wondering where the "Who f-ing cares." option is.
Typical Yankee attitude
Actually the option for younger Americans should be... Where/what is England??
Edited by Sean Trane - January 29 2013 at 03:13
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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