In or Out?
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Topic: In or Out?
Posted By: Padraic
Subject: In or Out?
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 13:27
| Let's have the referendum right now. |
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 13:49
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Get 'Em Out By Friday ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:07
Who? Where? Is there something outside the US?  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:13
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No no don't worry. There is the US and then there is sea and that's it. (Well, nothing of any consequence) ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:19
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My instincts say no. But then what do I know? In fact what does anyone really know? It's a complex issue and to to get clear unbiased information from either camp is impossible. I like the idea of the Swiss position; have constructive trade agreements but remain completely autonomous in law making at every level.
To be honest though, I think consulting the British people would be an exercise in futility. Many of us are still stuck on straight bananas and spuds by the pound.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:23
| Other: why does that matter? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 15:51
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Better: make Scotland and the Wales independant, rebuild the Wall of Hadrien, bring back a continental blocus all over Perfidious Albion, and everything will be fine in UE. The more years go on, the more I think UE should get back to its 1986 "borders", minus England. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:23
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Will Caledonia rise again? ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:29
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No. The entire population of the UK should be moved to Greenland and eventually to Canada, then Arizona and New Mexico. Depopulate the territory and give it to the French. In turn, give France to Germany. All solved. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:38
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I really don't know what the prevailing British opine is-- I sense disapproval, and the fact that I think the US should stay united doesn't seem quite relevant. In other words I have nothing to say. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 24 2013 at 01:53
A recent poll in the UK suggests that the majority want to stay in the EU. Polls are not always 'scientific' though. I don't pay much attention to them. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 24 2013 at 02:11
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Oww... I was expecting this Poll to be about belly buttons.
Either way: In.
We should take a leaf out of the French book and consider designating all UK citizens who have a garden, allotment, window box or have potted herbs dying on their kitchen window sills (small holdings) and all those who keep pets (livestock) as farmers. ------------- What? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 24 2013 at 04:30
But, then, who would have Germany? The Polish? The Czech? The Danes? The Swiss??? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 24 2013 at 12:27
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 24 2013 at 15:09
For some reason, I don't agree with this plan. Maybe my nostalgia for the Roman Empire. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 25 2013 at 17:37
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I am so glad this is not a bellybutton poll.
------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 25 2013 at 17:44
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Remember everyone, THIS decides it! The results of this poll...so make it count! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 25 2013 at 19:05
I thought this was going to be a poll about navels.  No opinion.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 05:29
  mmmhhh!!!... some Continentals woud say that if you/they can make it sooner, it would be welcomed... a lot of continentals are getting really pissed off at England's way of wanting only the positive and not the negatives... sitting on both sides of the barrier... and the constant attacks on the Euro by some in the city is like a Trojan horse
Yes, if England decides to go, we could envisage giving the spot of our Scot friends
... though if you say 86, it still keeps Greece, Spain and Potugal inside... which are still the troubled areas of today
Europe's grown too fast... the 90's additions (Austr, Swed, Finl) and have of course been very useful and fruitfull, but it's the '04 enlargement that was catastrophic... 10 countries in one shot was too much... OK when all countries are small erntities like Estonia or Slovenia... But Poland (40 M population) is quite a big bite to digest.... not to mention Romania (another 35M) three years later ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 06:25
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 06:56
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I vote No. If the Netherlands won't have the guts to leave this road to ruin (as I fear), then the UK may grab the opportunity to show them the way. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:04
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It's a no from me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:20
As far as I know, Ireland did not benefit from "England's spot" in 63 (when it first asked)... they had to wait until 73, when both the UK and Eire and Denmark got in...
And despite their current crisis, I don't think the Irish are complaining about the EC, because they were one of the main recipient of European aides in the 70's, 80's and 90's... and the 10's as well... so they received much more than they ever gave to and from the EC
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FWIW, I don't know if England's historical bad will and constant interference for European progress has been spurted from that first refusal of entry in the European club back in 63, but I'm not favourable to design a special English status, especially in light of Cameron's blackmail
Soooo, IN or OUT, fine by me (but if you're in, then you accept it to the full extent >> like it or not, all the others are accepting thisl, whether some of these adjustments are somewhate detrimental to the inner balance of a member-state).... but no special status (they're enough a Trojan horse already as it is)... Unless you want one like Turkey or Morocco
 QUOTE=Blacksword]My instincts say no. But then what do I know? In fact what does anyone really know? It's a complex issue and to to get clear unbiased information from either camp is impossible. I like the idea of the Swiss position; have constructive trade agreements but remain completely autonomous in law making at every level.
To be honest though, I think consulting the British people would be an exercise in futility. Many of us are still stuck on straight bananas and spuds by the pound..[/QUOTE] Actually, I find Cameron particularly coward (but then again, what to expect from a Tory, right??
) for proposing the referrendum AFTER the next election.... If he's so intent on leaving, do the referendum before that date.... What he's actually doing here is taking hostage Europe and buying himself a second mandate at Downing Street by cajolling the ultra-rich tax-fiends like Mittal and the people who suck up to them------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 07:25
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Non.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:33
The Irish are in their current crisis because they were happy to spend EU handouts and borrow EU money with no thought of the consequences - during the boom years while they were the darlings of Europe they were like uncontroled kids in a candy store and now they're paying for it (or more accurately Germany, France, Italy and Great Britain are paying for it).
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:36
[ps: I'm not interested in what Americans have to say - you left over 200 years ago and I don't care what you think]
pps: sorry - I missed off the eroteme.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 08:50
We're sorry. Please take us back.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 09:24
OK, I agree, but it's not a reason to try to get back their island under the UK rule
 ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 09:32
Idle curiosity I think, but I share it. -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 09:36
------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 10:24
Definitely not. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 11:06
How about them Flalklands
??------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 11:09
Last time I looked on a map that is a different country, but better still - you tell them.
Ha, the well known typing error. ------------- What? |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 12:13
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I'm not sure myself, in or out, in ...... out ......
I know , any excuse to post this again (sorry)
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 12:15
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Yes, and The Flalklands should be Los Mavlonas I think ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 12:30
Isn't that really what it's all about? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 28 2013 at 16:21
Mavlonas? Mevlanas? Malvinas? Maledives?  -------------
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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: January 29 2013 at 03:00
I'm American, so I'm wondering where the "Who f-ing cares." option is.  Everything else is...well, this was too much effort already. Just figure it out and keep quiet about it, would you please? We just want some fun places with old stuff to visit once or twice in a lifetime to then come home and talk about and show pictures of for a decade. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 29 2013 at 03:08
You're right, Ulster (or as you call it Northern Ireland) is a different than England
  
Actually the option for younger Americans should be... Where/what is England?? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 29 2013 at 03:33
...and both are a different to Ireland.
Do you mean the Maldives? The Malvinas (Malvi Pla, Es Malvins and Malvi Gros) and are off the coast of Ibiza in the Med - they're Spanish. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 06:53
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^^^ The Melvins?
I heard an interesting perspective the other day on another forum. Bascially someone said there should never be a referendum on the issue of the UK's EU membership, because it is impossible to inform the public, in an unbiased way of the pro's and con's. The poster said "We pay politicians and their civil servants to make these kind of decisions on our behalf" I thought, what a fantastic way of looking at things. Perhaps we should do away with elections altogether. After all, how can the peasants really understand monetary policy and the process of policy and lawmaking? We are mere debt slaves to the elites, why the hell should we even be allowed out after dark? Our membership to the EU is complex. My instincts tell me you don't ask to jump on a sinking ship. Europe is big market for the UK, but not the only market, and it's immediate and mid term future looks pretty bleak to me. The PIIGS nations are up to the eyes in a level of debt that cannot be paid back, and yet the technocrats who have been undemocratically put in charge of some of these places are hell bent on driving their respective populations into the ground with austerity measures. There was even talk of the European parliament being able to veto the public spending plans of member states. Anyone who has sat through a session (televised) of the EU parliament, may believe it all to be a case of the emperors new clothes; loads of men and women all agreeing and slapping each other on the back. When one person stands up and says "But look, the tw&t's naked" the whole assembly looks the other way, blocks their ears and shakes their collective heads in disgust and disapproval. This cabal of gravy trainers, and some sympathetic media have long nurtured a culture where questioning the validity of this collectivist plot is at best dismissed as right wing racist lunacy, and at worst almost an act of treason against the union. This has not helped the debate. Nah, looks like a load of bollox to me, and for that reason...I'm out.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 07:41
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Where are the other markets and are they truly viable? We can look to the grass on the other side of the fence but to me it looks as poorly maintained and weed-ridden as our own plot and that of any of our EU neighbours. There is also the question of whether they (The Americas, The Far East, etc) would want us to join them in competing for a portion of those markets. We have delusions of grandure that have persisted since the Industrial Revolution and the days of British Empire that we can no longer support, we are a small island in a big world and our eventual place in that heirachy of nations will be determined by our ability to compete. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 08:19
I'm not sure about all that Dean. We will compete if people abroad want our goods and services. It works the other way around too. European companies are not going to cease trading with us because we're not part of their circle jerk. It would make no sense to put up such barriers. I'm inclined to think the picture painted by the neo-liberal pro EU media that we would be ruined if we left the union is just scaremongering. We need to remember the origins of the European project and what it's purpose was. Primarily it was to prevent war in Europe again. A noble aspiration in itself, but beyond that I'm convinced it was about federalisation and centralising of power, through slow incremental steps disguised a trade agreements and social charters. The developments in recent years in the PIIGS nations, and how they have managed these situations through undemocratic means, employing the services of those who engineered the economic crisis to impose austerity on the people to claw back THEIR bad debts, is very sinister. People need to be upset about this. It was through the mechanisms of the EU power structure that these dubious appointments were allowed to happen. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 11:03
The people in Las Malvinas (Falkland Islands in your vernacular I think?) want to remain subjects to the British monarchy; now whether they want in and out the EU is another matter -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 11:27
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 11:29
| The whole "Las Malvinas" is just Cristina Fernandez' attempt to deflect from all her country's myriad domestic problems. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 11:33
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^That is correct, just like the dictatorship did in the 80s, so Fernandez is doing now, trying to use patriotic fervor to make the masses stop thinking about the sorry state of the economy, which even for "21st century socialism" South American standards is bad. -------------
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