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LOLLOLLOLLOL when does that happen with Crimson
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If it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it is wrong if it does to somebody else.   This piece easily crushes any Genesis or Yes track for sheer heaviness:



Or this, for that matter:




By the way, I love Genesis and Yes too but I doubt you are going to believe me the moment I say something positive about KC.  Seems your universe is a pretty binary one.




This piece easily crushes any Genesis or Yes track for sheer heaviness:

I'm not starting again but have you ever heard of The Musical Box and Gates of Delirium and to say that is just ludicrous. Genesis had The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed in terms of sheer heaviness prior to any of that from King Crimson

This piece easily crushes any Genesis or Yes track for sheer heaviness:

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The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed aren't that heavy honestly. Schizoid Man and Epitaph are much heavier in my opinion, and are from their '69 debut. 
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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box
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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed aren't that heavy honestly. Schizoid Man and Epitaph are much heavier in my opinion, and are from their '69 debut. 


Schizoid probably but Epitaph?????
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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.

Is there really a need to ask this? Obviously we have heard the song, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it as if we have. Fact of the matter is I simply don't hear anything particularly heavy in that song.


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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked



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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed aren't that heavy honestly. Schizoid Man and Epitaph are much heavier in my opinion, and are from their '69 debut. 


Schizoid probably but Epitaph?????

I just find it really intense, maybe not heavier in the sense of proto-metal, but the mellotron and piano are so dramatic. 
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked


Have you heard the ending to Starless? LOL
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed aren't that heavy honestly. Schizoid Man and Epitaph are much heavier in my opinion, and are from their '69 debut. 


Schizoid probably but Epitaph?????

I just find it really intense, maybe not heavier in the sense of proto-metal, but the mellotron and piano are so dramatic. 




Understandable, but it's not the least bit heavy in the proto-metal sense
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

The Musical Box and Giant Hogweed aren't that heavy honestly. Schizoid Man and Epitaph are much heavier in my opinion, and are from their '69 debut. 


Schizoid probably but Epitaph?????

I just find it really intense, maybe not heavier in the sense of proto-metal, but the mellotron and piano are so dramatic. 




Understandable, but it's not the least bit heavy in the proto-metal sense

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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked


Have you heard the ending to Starless? LOL


No I haven't actually it lost me half wayLOL
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked


Have you heard the ending to Starless? LOL



No I haven't actually it lost me half wayLOL

A lot of people think the mid section is too long. Do yourself a favor - listen from 7 minutes onward. 


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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked


Have you heard the ending to Starless? LOL



No I haven't actually it lost me half wayLOL

A lot of people think the mid section is too long. Do yourself a favor - listen from 7 minutes onward. 


Nothing is too long for me it just doesn't catch my attention WinkWink, I have, it's a decent song just not one that excites meWink
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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yeah I have no clue where you get heaviness from Musical Box


ConfusedConfused Have you heard the song???
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No I have not. I actually don't listen to any progressive music whatsoever and simply come on here to pretend I do.


LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked


Have you heard the ending to Starless? LOL



No I haven't actually it lost me half wayLOL

A lot of people think the mid section is too long. Do yourself a favor - listen from 7 minutes onward. 


To me it sounds as if they lifted it from LizardUnhappy, that bass sounds familiar
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I'm not sure how you can say Genesis did anything heavier than that objectively. 

I realize you aren't a huge KC fan, but regardless of your likening towards Genesis - let's be honest here.
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I'm not sure how you can say Genesis did anything heavier than that objectively. 

I realize you aren't a huge KC fan, but regardless of your likening towards Genesis - let's be honest here.




I think The Knife and The Musical Box are right up there, honestly. The Knife is very violentEvil Smile
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LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked



I never thought of Hackett's lead playing as metal-related. It's very melodic and classical influenced with a big tone but I don't see how that's metal. I see more relation to metal in say Fripp's lead work on 21st Century Schizoid Man, what with all the experimentation with wild noises and atonal melodies, holds a lot more similarities to future death and thrash metal soloing. Hackett's soloing has more similarities with Avenged Sevenfold than death metal :P


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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

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LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked



I never thought of Hackett's lead playing as metal-related. It's very melodic and classical influenced with a big tone but I don't see how that's metal. I see more relation to metal in say Fripp's lead work on 21st Century Schizoid Man, what with all the experimentation with wild noises and atonal melodies, holds a lot more similarities to future death and thrash metal soloing. Hackett's soloing has more similarities with Avenged Sevenfold than death metal :P


Avenge SevenfoldLOL more like Iron Maiden and Metallica, death metal sucksShocked for the most part
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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

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LOL. Come on now Rome those blistering solos from Hackett that's "metal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way heavier than anything KC ever did Shocked



I never thought of Hackett's lead playing as metal-related. It's very melodic and classical influenced with a big tone but I don't see how that's metal. I see more relation to metal in say Fripp's lead work on 21st Century Schizoid Man, what with all the experimentation with wild noises and atonal melodies, holds a lot more similarities to future death and thrash metal soloing. Hackett's soloing has more similarities with Avenged Sevenfold than death metal :P


Just to let you know Maiden and Metallica solos sound more fluid than death metal and that solo from Fripp (great solo by the way)
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