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Dean 
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 Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:32 |
 timothy leary wrote:
Many early cultures cast their language in stone. It was heavy I suppose. I would challenge you to show where the meaning of " turning one's nose up" has changed. ...................
This week’s idiom is to “turn one’s nose up at something”. It is used when we want to talk about a person who refuses something because they think it’s not good enough for them. For example:
This is a good job even though the salary is not so high. You shouldn’t turn your nose up at it.
Jenny is so superficial. She turns her nose up at any guy who’s not handsome and rich.
When I was young I used to turn my nose up at any foreign food, but I don’t do that anymore.
My apartment isn’t so nice, but it was the only place I could find to live. I couldn’t afford to turn my nose up at it.
So this expression is always used in a negative way to talk about people who are being snobby or picky about something. |
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Yes, it is always negative but it does not always mean the person is being snobby or picky
In the literal form it means "rejection because it's not good enough" .. you know, literally not good enough - like I would turn my nose up at food that is burn to a smoldering lump of black carbon because it is not good enough to eat kind of thing - here I am being negative about the food on offer, not my snobby or picky attitude.
In the figurative form it means "show distaste or contempt for" ... and that can be snobby, but not necessarily so - a small child hasn't the concept of snobbishness but twenty years ago I would have said to my wife that our daughter (she would have been two at the time) turned her nose up at mashed banana dessert. Just as our cats will turn their noses up at tinned Kit-e-Kat no matter how hungry they are.
But to end this pointless and overly petty exchange, okay, have it your way - I used the phrase incorrectly because I didn't have your specifically correct meaning of it in my head when I wrote the 'not quite as amusing as I thought it was' story, because my wife didn't reject the beef steak burger with an egg on top because it wasn't good enough for her and she didn't reject it because it wasn't good enough to eat, she rejected it because the name in French it contained the word cheval and unlike the English (which she is) the French (which she isn't) do eat horses, they have butchers specialising in it called boucheries chevalines and she thought that it meant it was a horse burger, even though I tried to explain to her it wasn't. If you think she was being snobby or picky or distainful of the French then you don't know her very well.
Edited by Dean - January 16 2013 at 16:38
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:41 |
^I said it in one sentence. But you turned your nose up at that!
Seriously though. I think you covered all angles there. 
Edited by Snow Dog - January 16 2013 at 16:44
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:48 |
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No, I think she was being sensible, I also will pass on horse.
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:54 |
timothy leary wrote:
No, I think she was being sensible, I also will pass on horse. |
She is always sensible, I'm the insensible one. But Steak Haché œufs à Cheval isn't made with horse - it's a beef burger with an egg on top, that's the whole point of the story.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 16:58 |
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:09 |
So what was the point of the story again?
Did you come here for a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:14 |
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Horsemeat, a worthy topic, which definitely proves vegitarianism is no "noble cause".
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:23 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
So what was the point of the story again?
Did you come here for a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
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I have no idea, I thought it was a funny story without a point or any specific message.
Hard to believe, but I didn't come here for an argument, and I wasn't aware I'd started one until I was in the thick of it. What I find amusing from all this is Timothy Leary and I haven't disagreed on much here at all - in fact most of what he's said on the subject of vegetarianism and food production I had already said in earlier posts, so in broad, general terms on the subject being discussed, we actually agree.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:33 |
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Where the thread went wrong for me(and it is mostly my own fault) is when Mr. Garten made his claim vegitarians are smug. Since my wife is a vegitarian and in no way smug, I over reacted to a degree. I am sure if i called Dean's wife insensible he would probably have something to say. I respect that. I could be misinterpreting Mr. Garten also. He once looked at my picture and called me Seasick Steve, I found out later it was meant as a compliment. I personally am not a vegitarian and sometimes smug.
Edited by timothy leary - January 16 2013 at 17:34
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:53 |
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I don't see it as healthier or more moral. If that's what you want to do, then all the more power to you.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 17:56 |
timothy leary wrote:
Where the thread went wrong for me(and it is mostly my own fault) is when Mr. Garten made his claim vegitarians are smug. Since my wife is a vegitarian and in no way smug, I over reacted to a degree. I am sure if i called Dean's wife insensible he would probably have something to say. I respect that. I could be misinterpreting Mr. Garten also. He once looked at my picture and called me Seasick Steve, I found out later it was meant as a compliment. I personally am not a vegitarian and sometimes smug. |
I think Jim said it as a joke. That's probably why he winked.
This somewhat-off-topic argument is getting out of hand.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 16 2013 at 17:58
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 21:42 |
I will become a vegetarian when they finally reclassify bacon as a vegetable. Oh, and steak. And hamburger. And cat. Ummmmm. 
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 21:50 |
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I think it's a noble cause, but I don't practice it nor do I plan on doing so. I think eating meat is a natural thing for humans to do. However I do think the way we make meat these days is terrible. We use way too much water, land, and food on it, plus there's growth hormones. I also think animals should be raised with care and killed as painlessly as possible.
But again, I think it's a noble cause and anyone who practices it earns my respect.
So what do you think about it?
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Not consider it's noble but I wish I could get to be a vegetarian for my health. Oh I'm from Wakayama, and close to a Buddhistic mountain named Koyasan, where are lots of vegetarians / Buddhists.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:36 |
^ If I remember correctly, about two-three people have pointed out that vegetarianism does nothing for anyone's health.
The Doctor wrote:
I will become a vegetarian when they finally reclassify bacon as a vegetable. Oh, and steak. And hamburger. And cat. Ummmmm. |
 What are you, Alf?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 16 2013 at 22:39
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:47 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ If I remember correctly, about two-three people have pointed out that vegetarianism does nothing for anyone's health. ... |
At least we can repress / control overappetite and decrease an intake of fat. 
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:48 |
^ True that. 
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Mr. Mustard
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 20:00 |
Is cheese vegetarian? If so I could just live off pizza for the rest of my life.
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Posted: January 18 2013 at 00:52 |
Mr. Mustard wrote:
Is cheese vegetarian? If so I could just live off pizza for the rest of my life. |
Cheese is NOT a vegetable, yet it's not meat. So, a vegetarian can eat cheese (at least, if my sister is doing her vegetarianism seriously). Pepperoni, on the other hand...
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Posted: January 18 2013 at 01:11 |
Mr. Mustard wrote:
Is cheese vegetarian? If so I could just live off pizza for the rest of my life. |
Vegetarians eat dairy products (milk and derivates such as cheese) and eggs. Vegans do not.
What I'm not sure is about fungus and mushrooms. Or what do they think about the fact that whatever they eat, they eat millions of micro-organisms.
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Posted: January 18 2013 at 01:15 |
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^ Depends on the nature of the food being consumed. If it possesses intelligence or emotional capacity, I wouldn't eat it.
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