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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:06
Is this a poll? Where do I click 'no'?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:07
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock.

And many more would disagree. In general, "art rock" describes any rock music with 'artsy' elements in it, whereas "prog rock" places a greater emphasis on instrumental and compositional complexity. For example, David Bowie and Radiohead are generally considered art rock but not prog rock, because their music is relatively simple for the most part.

I think Rush fit just fine in heavy prog. I wouldn't go as far as calling their music heavy metal (although they did influence a lot of prog metal bands), but definitely hard rock. Symphonic? I would say their sound is not 'orchestral' enough for that. They did change their sound over the years, but so did many many other prog bands that aren't categorized as Eclectic. I think it makes more sense to categorize a band after the style they're generally associated with, and that's heavy prog for Rush. It's bands like King Crimson, who are associated with more than one style, or Gentle Giant, whose music contains elements of many styles at once, that belong into Eclectic.


David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:11
I really do hate labels.....but to each his own.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:14
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I really do hate labels.....but to each his own.


I kind of hate labels too, you aren't alone there
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:19
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

[QUOTE=ProgMetaller2112]and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock
 
Ok I am not getting in discussion considering Bowie, he was prog, he is more than prog, plus Space Oddity was released on the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King. I will not discuss with anyone that Bowie was not prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:28
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

[QUOTE=ProgMetaller2112]and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock
 
Ok I am not getting in discussion considering Bowie, he was prog, he is more than prog, plus Space Oddity was released on the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King. I will not discuss with anyone that Bowie was not prog.


but he was art rock tooWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:30
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

[QUOTE=ProgMetaller2112]and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock
 
Ok I am not getting in discussion considering Bowie, he was prog, he is more than prog, plus Space Oddity was released on the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King. I will not discuss with anyone that Bowie was not prog.


but he was art rock tooWink
 
yep and the hottest man alive too!! Embarrassed I have had a crush on Bowie well Ermm since forever Big smileWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:32
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

[QUOTE=ProgMetaller2112]and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock
 
Ok I am not getting in discussion considering Bowie, he was prog, he is more than prog, plus Space Oddity was released on the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King. I will not discuss with anyone that Bowie was not prog.


but he was art rock tooWink
 
yep and the hottest man alive too!! Embarrassed I have had a crush on Bowie well Ermm since forever Big smileWink

not on meEmbarrassedEmbarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:21
In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:22
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:32
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it

I don't see how that was relevantErmm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 01:26
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Stern Smile
 
 
There is a little too much free use of the f-word in this thread. The autocensor is not there so you can swear freely, it's there to catch the very rare occasions when you accidentally forget to not swear.


ah sorry, i tend to forget that i'm not supposed to 'curse' at all on this site, since it's the internet and all.. i'll try to keep myself more in check
Sumdeus, you cheeky Teddy Bear, I had no idea you did swear Confused but Dean allowed us to swear freely Smile
No I didn't. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 01:35
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Stern Smile
 
 
There is a little too much free use of the f-word in this thread. The autocensor is not there so you can swear freely, it's there to catch the very rare occasions when you accidentally forget to not swear.


ah sorry, i tend to forget that i'm not supposed to 'curse' at all on this site, since it's the internet and all.. i'll try to keep myself more in check
Sumdeus, you cheeky Teddy Bear, I had no idea you did swear Confused but Dean allowed us to swear freely Smile
No I didn't. Confused
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 02:03
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock

Genres are not exclusive, you know. An artist can fit into more than one genre at once.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 06:04
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock

Bowie played glam in 1972 — 1974. In every other year of his 40 years long musical activity he was as far for glam as it was possible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 10:29
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.


It doesn't, it's heavy PROG, not heavy metal.   Although I'd question the very idea of eclectic prog because I consider eclecticism an essential feature of prog.  If all songs sound the same, it's not prog anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:13
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it
Why must you bring this everywhere?! He just expressed his opinion regarding the band we're discussing about, and you MUST bring KC into this. Ok, we all know that you don't like them, it's cool.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.


It doesn't, it's heavy PROG, not heavy metal.   Although I'd question the very idea of eclectic prog because I consider eclecticism an essential feature of prog.  If all songs sound the same, it's not prog anymore.
No one ever claimed that the invention of the category names was that thought-through - it seemed like a good idea at the time when splitting up Art Rock that the category with Rush in would be called Heavy Prog, the category with Crimson and VdGG would be called Eclectic and the category with Mike Oldfield and the Moody Blues would be called Crossover. They could have called them Tom, Dick and Harry but I don't think we'd have got away with that (well Tom Prog and Harry Prog would have been okay perhaps). Personally I think the better name for Eclectic Prog is just Prog (and Crossover is only just Prog ... Wink).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:08
Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

In all honesty, I barely consider it music.  

There.  I said it.  


In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music

There. I said it
Why must you bring this everywhere?! He just expressed his opinion regarding the band we're discussing about, and you MUST bring KC into this. Ok, we all know that you don't like them, it's cool.


I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:48
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is?
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush.
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