Would you consider Rush's music Eclectic Prog??
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Topic: Would you consider Rush's music Eclectic Prog??
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Subject: Would you consider Rush's music Eclectic Prog??
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 23:14
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Rush is one of those bands who is not afraid of experimenting even if it means losing fans in the process. Their music has always practically been hard to categorize, they are Hard Rock and Metal and Progressive Rock all in one. Yet they also incorporate elements of Reggae, New Wave, Synth Rock and even Alternative Rock and Pop Rock into their sound. My question to you is. Would you consider them Eclectic??? Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 23:19
| I think they fit well in heavy. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 01:50
I think they've reinvented themselves on at least 3 occasions. Heavy prog does not adequately describe 2112 , Farewell To KIngs or Hemispheres which are much closer to symhonic prog than heavy metal in my opinion. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock or even sometimes described as 'Techno Rock'. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo. Overall if you look at their origins and then take the later albums the soul of the band is as a heavy prog band. They rule that category. If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 02:02
Symphonic Prog  , Rush is one of the founders of Progressive Metal, I would argue that their music is Progressive Metal, listen to The Necromancer, 2112 is that Symphonic Prog, and you didn't spell Symphonic right. I would consider everything they did from Fly By Night to Hemispheres Prog Metal or the beginnings of it. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock , many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo , The proggy elements have always been there with them, it's just the way they play , it doesn't feel right for them not to play complicated piecesIf you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant. yeah and they are just as good as those two bands probably even better  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
richardh wrote:Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:23
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I really don't think I could ever call them eclectic prog. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:33
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I think Heavy Prog fits them better, although they have incorporated some elements from different styles and they have reinvented themselves more than once. Xanadu on A Farewell to Kings has strong symphonic elements and from Permanent Waves to Signals they were rather symphonic as well. But most of their music is rather heavy Art Rock indeed. ------------- 
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 04:28
So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.
And many more would disagree. In general, "art rock" describes any rock music with 'artsy' elements in it, whereas "prog rock" places a greater emphasis on instrumental and compositional complexity. For example, David Bowie and Radiohead are generally considered art rock but not prog rock, because their music is relatively simple for the most part. I think Rush fit just fine in heavy prog. I wouldn't go as far as calling their music heavy metal (although they did influence a lot of prog metal bands), but definitely hard rock. Symphonic? I would say their sound is not 'orchestral' enough for that. They did change their sound over the years, but so did many many other prog bands that aren't categorized as Eclectic. I think it makes more sense to categorize a band after the style they're generally associated with, and that's heavy prog for Rush. It's bands like King Crimson, who are associated with more than one style, or Gentle Giant, whose music contains elements of many styles at once, that belong into Eclectic. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:15
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I would consider Rush's music eclectic, but that goes for most prog bands. As for moving them to Eclectic Prog, I would say no. The core of their music is unmistakenly hard rock, which makes Heavy Prog a perfect fit for them, IMO.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:26
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It's true that they have morphed style during their long career, but this does not qualify them as Eclectic. Each of their individual albums has a consistent style. Eclectic is reserved for those who blend many styles in one single album.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:24
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No.
While Rush may have changed palettes a couple of times ( Caress of Steel, Signals), they have always retained that ever so Rushy rock quotient. Rush are like the prog version of the Stones. You'll get your rocks off, no doubt, but you know what to expect and have they ever really really changed style? Not really, outside of those two aforementioned records. My opinion of course - there's bound to be people out there who feel they were an integral part of the early RIO movement because of Villa Strangiato... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:35
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Heavy prog is a nonsense genre anyway. But so is eclectic. But if it is so, yes, why not Eclectic? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:46
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To help keep the genres straight in my head, I often have a single "flagship band" that I use to identify each genre. In my case, Rush is "heavy prog" by definition, just as King Crimson is "eclectic prog" by definition. These genres don't really exist as such, but they are there for our convenience. So change them or don't change them, it doesn't really matter; as long as we're consistent and re-categorize other bands accordingly (maybe Porcupine Tree should be eclectic then... see wot I mean?). But I don't see much point in doing that, other than to stir up dust where it isn't needed. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:51
^You are probably right. Rush might be , but they are also Heavy. But so is King Crimson.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:54
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Rush is heavy prog personified. Period. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:55
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 09:02
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Maybe they aren't always heavy, but most of the times they seem to be. They don't seem to me to be as eclectic as Gentle Giant or King Crimson. But then again, I'm no Rush expert at all, I must admit.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:48
Actually, the Stones changed their style a lot: British Invasion, R&B, baroque pop, psychedelia, roots rock, blues rock, funk, soul, reggae, country, disco... They did all of those things. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:50
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:58
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Allocating a sub genre to certain bands may not be appropriate or necessary. Rush are one of those bands in my opinion. You could argue that Moving Pictures is quite 'eclectic' in its variety of styles. Vital Signs, Tom Sawyer, Camera Eye and Limelight are all very different. Bounded only by having the same production.
Overall, it's fair to call Rush, quite simply prog rock, imo, as they 'progressed' and developed from one album to the next, drawing on a number of diverse musical influences. To categorise them overall as 'eclectic' to me seems both off target, and unnecessary. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 15:42
I didn't bother to correct my spelling as that 'edited at blah blah' thing at the bottom of the page is always irrititating. In any case it was actually a typo
 I always assumed 'Art Rock' to be more about songs than long peices but had a quick look on the internet and its not that straightforward
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/36651/art-rock" rel="nofollow - http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/36651/art-rock
I guess I got it wrong by using the term 'art rock' but what I was trying to get at was that in the 80's Rush left behind the complexity without losing the artistic qualities in their music.
From 90's onwards they became a lot more straightforward and concentrated on just writing songs but retaining heavy qualities. I have no problem with that btw and rate Vapor Trails highly.
I am a fan and would argue that hardly anything they did could be called 'prog metal'. They likely influenced prog metal bands but then so did many other prog bands .Rush were from a heavy rock background and no more a metal band than Led Zep or Deep Purple. The origins of prog metal come from metal. This would be Iron Maiden , Mettalica and so forth. If you are going back before then perhaps Led Zep 'Achilles Last Stand' was a starting point?
As good as Gentle Giant and King Crimson? Rush smoke both those bands for sheer power but I think those other bands were drawing on a much wider base of influences that went beyond other prog bands. Rush were influenced by King Crimson among others not vice versa.
Disclaimer - apologies for any typo's in the above caused by having chubby ageing fingers. (However I do accept that grammatical errors are down to my lack of intelligence and/or education
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 15:57
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While they incorporate many styles into their music, the main foundation throughout is heavy. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:17
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I consider their music to be country, but the country happens to be Canada.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:19
If being in Heavy Prog indicates that a band is always heavy, then almost zero bands belong there. Porcupine Tree wouldn't fit, The Mars Volta wouldn't fit, etc. Likewise, how can a band be eclectic all the time? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:24
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I think they'd fit well min Eclectic but they fit better in Heavy
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:51
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 18:07
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I'd much rather have Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta in eclectic subgenre than Rush. Not saying Rush isn't good, they're great, and indeed eclectic, but imo not eclectic enough to be in that category. -------------  |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 18:21
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Agreed with many of the above comments; yes, Rush's music could be classified as "eclectic," but if you put them in eclectic prog I feel like you could make an argument to put almost any band in eclectic. Although not all of their music is hard rock, that's the basis of their sound and I think they fit very well in Heavy Prog. I could see making a case to put them in crossover, but that seems like it would be counterproductive as the already fit perfectly well in their subgenre. As to the "metal or not" debate, you have to remember that Zep and Deep Purple were considered metal in the 70s. Rush was heavier than both of them. While I wouldn't consider anything after Hemispheres to be metal, something like 2112 definitely could be described as progressive metal in my opinion, even though it doesn't fit into "progressive metal" as the genre is defined here. Rush decreased the metal elements in their sound drastically in the albums following 2112, though, so I don't think you can say that Rush is a progressive metal band even by 70s standards. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 18:31
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Rush is as eclectic as any prog band.. But I feel like all you have to do is listen to any Gentle Giant record and it should be clear why they are deemed 'eclectic prog' and Rush are not.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 22:02
nonsense, neither are nonsense genres they're Prog------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 22:04
haha very funny ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 22:07
where do you think Maiden and Metallica got some influences  , from Prog Rock bands sure but Rush was one of them, too ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 22:21
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Rush's music has never even been close to eclectic, with a capital 'E' or not, don't see why there's a hubbub |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 23:17
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The old "art rock" genre for Rush worked just fine for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 23:24
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 00:58
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 01:52
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 10:51
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:24
Eclectic? Ok, now I too am confused here. I never thought of Rush as eclectic. Someone please help and clarify this for me because this is beyond my understanding, eclectic? No, I read it correctly it seems, really?
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:31
they followed their time : hard-rock when it was all the rage in the seventies, ska + synth pop in the eighties, alternative rock in the nineties when grunge was king, and now back to their roors with hard-rock. Would you call Yes, Genesis or Le Orme eclectic because they played pop in the eighties ? ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:41
| Oh no, ok I don't know much about Rush therefore please give me an example of an eclectic track of theirs? I honestly have to read this twice everytime because eclectic seems so far fetch in terms of RUSH. |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:46
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Heavy Prog is their country, and Rush is the president of this country. If they move away from this country, heavy prog would lose the most important members of their governement. So NO WAY !!! Listen to Gentle Giant's music and tell me Rush is not Eclectic Prog. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:50
geneyesontle, I am open to anything, therefore please suggest a track that you consider eclectic by RUSH? Also I much prefer Camel compared to Gentle Giant but this is my own personal taste.
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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:55
F**kin Republican music I hate country ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:58
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all this recent generalized hate for country music is making me wonder if Johnny Cash isn't as well known as I thought he was... I mean, i think contemporary country is as worthless as most of you do, but f**kin' Cash, man... I can never make any generalizations about country anymore, because f**kin' Cash, man.
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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:08
That's okay Kati. I think Gentle Giant is the best band in the world. We all have different musical tastes. But Camel is Symphonic. Well, I think the most Eclectic track by them is this one: But it isn't as Eclectic as this: ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:09
Johnny Cash was good, I have to agree. But all the others are copyheads. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:14
Oi!!! I like Townes Van Zandt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjJePtPVquM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjJePtPVquM and Pete Townshend too! However of all the odd ones, none beat TOM WAITS (I wish every drunk man could sound like him singing) Tom Waits - Hold On http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P5jV4lHHR0&list=FLW3NlyKPJqFL8OnvvATV4YQ&index=175" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P5jV4lHHR0&list=FLW3NlyKPJqFL8OnvvATV4YQ&index=175
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:24
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:33
Oh now there is a fine line The Bearde Bard, eclectic for me consists of many changes within one track, marmite one could call it yet no matter how complex it's brilliant, keeps us hanging into every note, very exciting, at times wondering yet very happy to listen. However you mention an album with different tracks as eclectic, please give me an example?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:38
 There is a little too much free use of the f-word in this thread. The autocensor is not there so you can swear freely, it's there to catch the very rare occasions when you accidentally forget to not swear. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 18:46
F.F.S. Rush has been earlier compared to KC in terms of a poll, now this?  Seriously? Am I going crazy here? Ok crazy a tad I am but this? P.S. I said F.F.S. coz Dean said I could
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 19:01
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think of Rush as a simple rock band who liked to expand a bit, there's not much more to it |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 20:33
ah sorry, i tend to forget that i'm not supposed to 'curse' at all on this site, since it's the internet and all.. i'll try to keep myself more in check ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 20:39
Sumdeus, you cheeky Teddy Bear, I had no idea you did swear
but Dean allowed us to swear freely |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 21:00
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 21:20
=Ambient Hurricanes, hello
, the links above are nice but certainly not Eclectic, they remind me of 80's disco era, Club54  |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 21:28
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^ that may've been AH's point, but I agree with you; the fact that Rush occasionally experimented with different styles doesn't make the music itself eclectic. Plus, that cut from Presto doesn't sound much different from what they were doing on Power Windows four years earlier. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 21:33
Pretty much this for me......VT had some return of that Rush metal of 2112. They are a very hard driving progressive band.
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 21:45
Disco? I don't hear it, but I suppose, with some of the rhythms.... I posted those two because 1. They pull in elements of multiple styles and 2. They are quite different from the rest of Rush's music. I don't think Rush is "eclectic prog" but I consider those to be eclectic tracks. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:05
that's why there's ???? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:06
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Is this a poll? Where do I click 'no'?
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:07
David Bowie from my understanding is considered glam rock and Radiohead is considered experimental rock which some would call prog rock ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:11
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I really do hate labels.....but to each his own. -------------
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:14
I kind of hate labels too, you aren't alone there ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:19
Ok I am not getting in discussion considering Bowie, he was prog, he is more than prog, plus Space Oddity was released on the same year as In the Court of the Crimson King. I will not discuss with anyone that Bowie was not prog.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:28
but he was art rock too  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:30
yep and the hottest man alive too!!
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 22:32
not on me ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:21
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In all honesty, I barely consider it music. There. I said it.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:22
In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music There. I said it ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 00:32
I don't see how that was relevant
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 01:26
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 01:35
hahahaa!!! Sssht
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 02:03
Genres are not exclusive, you know. An artist can fit into more than one genre at once. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 06:04
Bowie played glam in 1972 — 1974. In every other year of his 40 years long musical activity he was as far for glam as it was possible. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 10:29
It doesn't, it's heavy PROG, not heavy metal. Although I'd question the very idea of eclectic prog because I consider eclecticism an essential feature of prog. If all songs sound the same, it's not prog anymore. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:13
Why must you bring this everywhere?! He just expressed his opinion regarding the band we're discussing about, and you MUST bring KC into this. Ok, we all know that you don't like them, it's cool. ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:20
No one ever claimed that the invention of the category names was that thought-through - it seemed like a good idea at the time when splitting up Art Rock that the category with Rush in would be called Heavy Prog, the category with Crimson and VdGG would be called Eclectic and the category with Mike Oldfield and the Moody Blues would be called Crossover. They could have called them Tom, Dick and Harry but I don't think we'd have got away with that (well Tom Prog and Harry Prog would have been okay perhaps). Personally I think the better name for Eclectic Prog is just Prog (and Crossover is only just Prog ...  ).------------- What? |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:08
I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:48
I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush. ------------- |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:54
When and if I get the chance I'd definitely pay and go to see a Rush concert, no doubt coz it's awesome live, however I am not a fan, they remind me of the Chipmunks, maybe because of Geddy's vocals (especially the earlier albums) and Neil Peart yes jajaja I know he is a brilliant drummer right there at the top, I have read their biography inc. Peart's tho'.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:55
then he should just say that instead ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 16:56
The Chipmunks  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 21:18
Actually, he did say that he does not consider it music, he didn't claim that it isn't. Yes, there's a difference when you frame an opinion as clearly referring to your personal tastes and preferences or as simply forcing it as a generalization on others. You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 02:45
...pot...kettle... |
Posted By: ProgressiveMike
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 16:55
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I have an idea, if you don't like Rush then go post somewhere else. No one wants to read negativity. We're all prog fans and that in itself should bind us instead of stabbing at eachothers preference within the prog sphere. if you want to make some sly ass remark about Rush like "THEY SOUND LIKE THE CHIPMUNKS JAJAJAJA!" or "I DON"T CONSIDER RUSH MUSIC!" then go post something on another topic please and thank you. it doesn't sound cool by the way to trash on one of the greatest bands to live |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 16:57
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but if everyone only posted "i love rush so much!!!" and no one ever gave any other perspectives or opinions then there would be no discussion and it would just be a circle jerk of rush fanboys
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:04
Yeah, if it's his early vocals you don't like, you would surely prefer their live sound. His voice sounds very full and powerful, as does the whole band; just compare the studio version of Natural Science to the one on Different Stages. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:04
Yeah it was a stupid thing for him to say. Trolling really . ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ProgressiveMike
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:12
| The question isn't whether or not Rush is a decent band. The question is where do they fall as far as prog rock goes, which is an interesting question considering they've only done a handful of bonafide conceptual prog albums. It's almost like the others have street cred because of what came before, or in some cases what came after. If they only released Power Windows would anyone consider them a prog band? Probably not. Eclectic is probably not a strong enough term to describe the manner in which Rush plows forward with no regard for precedent. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:53
can't we say the same for other bands???? you just contradicted yourself Sumdeus ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 17:54
I could say the same thing for you but i will not ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 18:22
You will not because I haven't. I haven't said any goddamn negative thing about Rush or any other of 'your' favourite bands in this thread many of which, by the way, happen to be my favourites as well.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 18:40
ProgressiveMike, I did not mean to offend you or anyone else for that
matter, my sincere apologies seeing you took offense. This is a discussion
forum, whatever I say will not make any difference whatsoever to the band (it has no affect on them), nothing; it’s like air or a tiny drop in the ocean
really. They are well established musicians, excellent musicians in fact with a
huge fan base/ following. They are not my preference choice considering the
abundance of other choices available, but this is ok too. The remark chipmunk
was meant as a joke, because Geddy has a high pitched voice. In terms of major
bands my views are less radical compared to yours (new and struggling bands I not
rather not comment if their music is not particularly my taste) i.e. David
Byron is one of my all-time favorite vocalist, his vocals are instrumental yet I still jokingly say he
looked like a club54/Saturday night fever, gay porn star. Again my sincere apologies, I meant it as a joke maybe it
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 19:03
how did i contradict myself? where did i previously say people shouldn't post if they don't like something? if you're referring to the KC thing with you, we've told you multiple times the issue was not that you don't like KC but the way you tried to force it upon others and acted like your taste was superior ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: ProgressiveMike
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 19:51
| Thank you Kati. I'm sorry that I got so upset over the comment. Just to let you know I work at a record store where I am constantly in shock and disgust at what people acutally purchase but I understand it's all a matter of opinion and I applaude the fact that they aren't illegally downloading their music instead. Anyway the music I play in store is constantly criticized and I've grown a little defensive over the years when someone trashes music I love. Not that it has changed my behavior or my preferences one bit. Except that I don't play the Residents anymore lol. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 21:08
...this forum gets much too serious! It's called a joke. And, I know what is meant about KC barely being music, some of it is damn horrible. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 06:25
It was a joke? Wow that was well hidden. I didn't catch it. But thought it a wierd comment from you. Maybe tyhere was the clue....------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 23:08
I'm not talking about bands I was talking about myself You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet. ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 23:10
I never forced anything upon anyone ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |